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    the rabbit hole runs deep: Why Aren't There More Women [Tech] Entrepreneurs?

    My guess is that probably only 2-3 out of every hundred pitches I receive are from women. This certainly isn’t anything conscious on my side. It’s just the facts. ~ Mark Suster, Venture Capitalist
    so much for new ventures. that's pathetic. for larger companies, it is quite possible that by the time an organization has grown large enough to implement a Sexual Harassment policy, the majority of women who were working their way up the ladder have likely been sexually harassed and/or somehow marginalized for their gender. the HR dept will simply never have seen them because they either switched depts, managers or left the company. i have seen this at every imaginable level at Global 50 companies down to medium-sized businesses. we are in our infancy with regard to establishing equality of opportunity between men and women and of that there can be little doubt (this transcends any particular industry).

    i have been "sexually harassed" at work events, industry conferences, client meetings, etc. sometimes it's subtle, sometimes it's outrageous. and introducing alcohol makes it even worse and much of this industry is fueled by booze. fortunately, i have more courage than most men i've ever met, and ever expect to. and as i will not be deterred from my professional goals, i learned to turn that harassment into something else: awareness, which on their part quickly turns into shame, which quickly turns into respect (or at least sufficient intimidation to politely gtfo of my way). this isn't exactly easy for many women to do and every situation requires a different tactic. it must be handled with great care, as bruised egos have far-reaching tendrils. and i am sorry, but running to HR isn't a cure-all for every situation. what are you gonna do when the CEO is hitting on you, run to HR mommy?*

    ime, navigating sexual dynamics is a necessary survival skill in technology and being a woman practically an occupational hazard. had i a different constitution i might have shunned this industry like so many others.

    but if you have fortitude, a stomach for being in the minority, and a supportive organization/manager/mentor, you can count yourself among the early pioneers who consider gender bias but one of many obstacles to be overcome on the path to greatness. and if you survive, you can do incredible things for women along the way.

    not the least of which is teaching a group of 6 and 7 year-old girls how to code.



    *you're going to become the CEO one day, is the answer. :>
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    Quote Originally Posted by AgentF View Post
    i have been "sexually harassed" at work events, industry conferences, client meetings, etc. sometimes it's subtle, sometimes it's outrageous. and introducing alcohol makes it even worse and much of this industry is fueled by booze. fortunately, i have more courage than most men i've ever met, and ever expect to. and as i will not be deterred from my professional goals, i learned to turn that harassment into something else: awareness, which on their part quickly turns into shame, which quickly turns into respect (or at least sufficient intimidation to politely gtfo of my way). this isn't exactly easy for many women to do and every situation requires a different tactic. it must be handled with great care, as bruised egos have far-reaching tendrils. and i am sorry, but running to HR isn't a cure-all for every situation. what are you gonna do when the CEO is hitting on you, run to HR mommy?*
    So how exactly is this done?
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...

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    I may be kindly, I am ordinarily gentle, but in my line of business I am obliged to will terribly what I will at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AgentF View Post
    earning someone's respect is entirely different than seeking it. read better.
    Earning someone's respect in such a situation is a simple by-product of asserting yourself, rather than an objective itself. You might not care if the person respects you, as long as you stand up for your principles and progress toward your goals (i.e. prevent him from becoming an obstacle). There is a good chance he will in the end, though, either because (1) he understands the harmful consequences of his behavior, for him and/or you; or (2) he realizes you cannot be pushed around that way.
    I've been called a criminal, a terrorist, and a threat to the known universe. But everything you were told is a lie. The truth is, they've taken our freedom, our home, and our future. The time has come for all humanity to take a stand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coriolis View Post
    Earning someone's respect in such a situation is a simple by-product of asserting yourself, rather than an objective itself. You might not care if the person respects you, as long as you stand up for your principles and progress toward your goals (i.e. prevent him from becoming an obstacle). There is a good chance he will in the end, though, either because (1) he understands the harmful consequences of his behavior, for him and/or you; or (2) he realizes you cannot be pushed around that way.
    precisely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AgentF View Post
    the rabbit hole runs deep: Why Aren't There More Women [Tech] Entrepreneurs?

    so much for new ventures. that's pathetic. for larger companies, it is quite possible that by the time an organization has grown large enough to implement a Sexual Harassment policy, the majority of women who were working their way up the ladder have likely been sexually harassed and/or somehow marginalized for their gender. the HR dept will simply never have seen them because they either switched depts, managers or left the company. i have seen this at every imaginable level at Global 50 companies down to medium-sized businesses. we are in our infancy with regard to establishing equality of opportunity between men and women and of that there can be little doubt (this transcends any particular industry).

    i have been "sexually harassed" at work events, industry conferences, client meetings, etc. sometimes it's subtle, sometimes it's outrageous. and introducing alcohol makes it even worse and much of this industry is fueled by booze. fortunately, i have more courage than most men i've ever met, and ever expect to. and as i will not be deterred from my professional goals, i learned to turn that harassment into something else: awareness, which on their part quickly turns into shame, which quickly turns into respect (or at least sufficient intimidation to politely gtfo of my way). this isn't exactly easy for many women to do and every situation requires a different tactic. it must be handled with great care, as bruised egos have far-reaching tendrils. and i am sorry, but running to HR isn't a cure-all for every situation. what are you gonna do when the CEO is hitting on you, run to HR mommy?*

    ime, navigating sexual dynamics is a necessary survival skill in technology and being a woman practically an occupational hazard. had i a different constitution i might have shunned this industry like so many others.

    but if you have fortitude, a stomach for being in the minority, and a supportive organization/manager/mentor, you can count yourself among the early pioneers who consider gender bias but one of many obstacles to be overcome on the path to greatness. and if you survive, you can do incredible things for women along the way.

    not the least of which is teaching a group of 6 and 7 year-old girls how to code.

    *you're going to become the CEO one day, is the answer. :>
    I'm also interested in how you turned harassment to shame and managed not to make enemies. You're right about the far-reaching tendrils of bruised egos. Whenever I've won these battles, it has almost always been a Pyrrhic victory.

    I think it's inevitable that there will be fewer successful female IT entrepreneurs than male. It's a very competitive and demanding area at the best of times and I can imagine getting funding out of the old boy's network of venture capitalists would prove very challenging.


    There was a 3yr project (funded by the European Social Fund) to look at ways of encouraging more women into IT. "We do evaluations and produce reports." Um...yeah, thx for that. It was a spectacular failure (as most such initiatives are). I once worked for one of the companies listed as "exemplary" (founded by two women, but subsequently taken over) and it was anything but once the corporate cogs started to turn. Capitalist and socialist agendas are incompatible.

    One thing that keeps cropping up is that you have to have phenomenal self-belief and confidence to stick with a career in this industry as a woman. And women, historically, and currently, lack confidence. (Here is another article about women dropping out of academia for similar reasons.)
    One of the things highlighted was women complaining about a lack of role models and mentors. Seriously? Where are the pioneers? All I really knew when I was a kid was that whatever career I ended up in, it would be one that was male-dominated and I would be forging a path for female equality and empowerment.

    "Women need to be part of designing the future or it won't suit us."
    What part of that don't they understand? And why don't they care?
    "Be the change that you wish to see in the world." Be your own role model.
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    Well woman obviously have the faculty to talk about themselves for an endless time. Since computer aint no woman, why should women be intrested in talking about them ?

    Point proven, case closed !
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    Quote Originally Posted by entropie View Post
    Well woman obviously have the faculty to talk about themselves for an endless time.
    Men do, too - especially when they are trying to impress a woman. It does make an impression, but not necessarily the desired one.
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    Why women shun IT?

    Not all of us.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    I'm also interested in how you turned harassment to shame and managed not to make enemies. You're right about the far-reaching tendrils of bruised egos. Whenever I've won these battles, it has almost always been a Pyrrhic victory.

    I think it's inevitable that there will be fewer successful female IT entrepreneurs than male. It's a very competitive and demanding area at the best of times and I can imagine getting funding out of the old boy's network of venture capitalists would prove very challenging.


    There was a 3yr project (funded by the European Social Fund) to look at ways of encouraging more women into IT. "We do evaluations and produce reports." Um...yeah, thx for that. It was a spectacular failure (as most such initiatives are). I once worked for one of the companies listed as "exemplary" (founded by two women, but subsequently taken over) and it was anything but once the corporate cogs started to turn. Capitalist and socialist agendas are incompatible.

    One thing that keeps cropping up is that you have to have phenomenal self-belief and confidence to stick with a career in this industry as a woman. And women, historically, and currently, lack confidence. (Here is another article about women dropping out of academia for similar reasons.)
    One of the things highlighted was women complaining about a lack of role models and mentors. Seriously? Where are the pioneers? All I really knew when I was a kid was that whatever career I ended up in, it would be one that was male-dominated and I would be forging a path for female equality and empowerment.

    "Women need to be part of designing the future or it won't suit us."
    What part of that don't they understand? And why don't they care?
    "Be the change that you wish to see in the world." Be your own role model.
    That article also mentioned a pretty severe decline in academic career interest for male PhD students as well. Gender issues obviously compound the problem for women, but honestly the main issue is that nobody wants to be a slave laborer for the rest of their lives. At some point (and that point probably comes sooner for women due to the issues mentioned) it really becomes illogical to continue making sacrifices for what is ultimately a dead end. A life of unpleasantness, bondage, and insignificance. I'm hoping that this career migration issue will cause academic institutions to rethink how they do shit and stop dumping on their "new blood," so to speak, because as it is it's a war of attrition and all genders are losing.

    We'll get more shit like that one female biology prof who shot a bunch of people up after she failed to get tenure for spurious reasons.
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