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    Default Christian conservatives are finally taking out the pseudo-academic trash

    A domino effect has led to the downfall of David Barton.

    Liberals have always attacked Barton's views of the founding fathers, but Christians who have tolerated if not accepted his views are finally taking him to task. 10 conservative professors followed by World Magazine and the Gospel Coalition have all brought attention to the faults in Barton's writings. Things got really tough on Barton when his publisher, Thomas Nelson, pulled his latest book. But, don't feel bad for Barton he's still backed by Bachmann, Huckabee, and Gingrich.

    World- The David Barton Controversy


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    Baylor Professor of Philosophy, Francis Beckwith, made a great comment on the Gospel Coalition post in regards to Barton's response to criticism which is just a diatribe against "liberal academic elites" combined with a populist appeal.

    As Christians, we have to be excellent in what we do. And that means being custodians of the truth, even when that truth may not be consistent with the way [we] would like history to be... At some point you have to stop blaming the liberal establishment for all the crappy stuff that dominates popular Christianity. When Ken Ham is your scientist, David Barton is your historian, and Bill Gothard is your pastor of spiritual formation the problem isn’t the liberal academic establishment, it’s you.
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    That's encouraging.
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    I saw that. It's a big deal imo. Glad the evangelicals are doing some self-policing.
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    Awesome. I've never understood Why some evangelical people feel the need to connect the united to states to Christianity. Nationalism isn't really biblical (except I guess the old testameant but there are some special circumstances there)

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    It's all moot anyway. I don't understand the reasoning behind the attempt to prove the founding fathers were all devout evangelicals. It doesn't trump the obvious church/state separation that these same men wrote into the Constitution. They could have all been voodoo priests and it wouldn't matter.
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    I don't understand how the republican party is connected to Christianity, though I believed this stuff in high school. It's weird how shit changes.
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    So other than that one mention, have they denounced Ken Ham as well?

    Christianity, evangelical or otherwise, is painted in a bad light when the belief system that it supposedly purports includes falsehoods.

    Imagine how comical it would be if some Hindu came up to you and asked you to believe that the world was a turtle built on top of a turtle ... in a literal sense.

    It is a strange and wonderful thing to me that when taken metaphorically (instead of literally) the worlds religions agree on what is important and point to the same place.

    It is when we get legalistic and literal that we see conflicts and contradictions between them, and not surprisingly with reality itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EffEmDoubleyou View Post
    I don't understand the reasoning behind the attempt to prove the founding fathers were all devout evangelicals.
    Some people need a sense of uniformity to keep their sanity. Two institutions they care deeply about, but can't reconcile. So they invent things. I don't think they've developed the right coping skills to live in this country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EffEmDoubleyou View Post
    It's all moot anyway. I don't understand the reasoning behind the attempt to prove the founding fathers were all devout evangelicals. It doesn't trump the obvious church/state separation that these same men wrote into the Constitution. They could have all been voodoo priests and it wouldn't matter.
    Ugh. Separation of church and state isn't in the constitution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    Ugh. Separation of church and state isn't in the constitution.
    But it was in Jefferson's letter to the Danbury Baptist Association and the spirit of that was caught in the 1st ammendment. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof."

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