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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    What does "no fault of their own" mean? Was it through blood transfusions? Or is their some other non-moral transmission vector I don't know about? Consider that non-Muslim areas of Africa have significantly higher HIV rates because they don't practice a rigidly moral sexual lifestyle.
    It goes like this: migrant workers have sex with prostitutes while engaged in seasonal employment, then they go back to their spouse(s) and infect them, and likely any future children, either in the womb or through breast milk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    If you're anti-vaccine, then what do you think of chicken pox lollipops?
    Is that when you expose your children to chickenpox? If so, I think that is stupid and ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    It goes like this: migrant workers have sex with prostitutes while engaged in seasonal employment, then they go back to their spouse(s) and infect them, and likely any future children, either in the womb or through breast milk.
    So they didn't use condoms? So much for "no fault of their own."
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    Is that when you expose your children to chickenpox? If so, I think that is stupid and ridiculous.
    Yes, it's a by-product of anti-vaccine thinking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Yes, it's a by-product of anti-vaccine thinking.
    Not mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    So they didn't use condoms? So much for "no fault of their own."
    Why would wives wear condoms unless they were trying to avoid pregnancy? And why would fetuses and newborns wear condoms for any reason at all?

    I didn't think I actually needed to make this explicit, but the migrant workers frequenting prostitutes are not included in the 'through no fault of their own' framework that people like your friend might be concerned about. They ARE included among the 'heterosexuals who don't use needles' segment of AIDS victims, as I was making two points at the same time and did not anticipate any confusion on the matter.

    Edit: if you were being sarcastic, I apologize.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lowtech redneck View Post
    Why would wives wear condoms unless they were trying to avoid pregnancy? And why would fetuses and newborns wear condoms for any reason at all?

    I didn't think I actually needed to make this explicit, but the migrant workers frequenting prostitutes are not included in the 'through no fault of their own' framework that people like your friend might be concerned about. They ARE included among the 'heterosexuals who don't use needles' segment of AIDS victims, as I was making two points at the same time and did not anticipate any confusion on the matter.

    Edit: if you were being sarcastic, I apologize.
    Wife: "Have you been having sex with prostitutes while you were out working for 3 months in the fields?"
    Husband: "No."
    Wife: "Ok then, we don't need to use a condom."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    Wife: "Have you been having sex with prostitutes while you were out working for 3 months in the fields?"
    Husband: "No."
    Wife: "Ok then, we don't need to use a condom."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mal+ View Post
    I know from long experience he's thinking at that point that HIV is "the gay and drug-user" disease. ... The fact that it's also spread through blood transfusions and other non-moral, non-behavioral sources apparently didn't occur to him at that time.
    You say the guy is a medical doctor? Personal opinions aside, he (and every educated person) should know this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
    You say the guy is a medical doctor? Personal opinions aside, he (and every educated person) should know this.
    Well no, not an M.D. per se. But yes, medical field with an 8 year degree.
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