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    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
    I think they should all be much more controlled. Americans don't make good choices with guns on a regular basis.
    What should these controls look like?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Only if you'll post a vid of you cowering in a bush at the fear of all these guns currently in circulation.
    Come on you know you have one in your computer...
    Afraid of guns? I've been mugged at gunpoint.
    Tell me what needs to be done to address the ease with which the gunman in Colorado acquired his arsenal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Australia provides an anti-environment in which the invisible American environment becomes visible.

    And the invisible American environment is invisible to Americans, just as water is invisible to fish.
    Not to Americans who have lived outside the country.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kalach View Post
    The US has unambiguously the highest rate of private gun ownership in the world. You all do know that's not actually gun control, right? Normal people call that gun proliferation or gun distribution. And since you do have that constitutional right to bear arms, the proper discussion is indeed not how to control arms, but how to adequately distribute them. After all, if you plan on handing control of the arms, literally, over to the populace, how are you meaningfully retaining control at the center?

    Good luck.
    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Whats the main point of what you're saying here?
    Just seemed like an unambiguously uninformed opinion to me.

    To add to Victor's metaphor: when you haven't swam in a country's waters, you don't really know what they're like.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
    Come on you know you have one in your computer...
    I don't have any videos of me shooting on my computer.

    Afraid of guns? I've been mugged at gunpoint.
    Good for you. I had two armed guys try to car jack me.

    Tell me what needs to be done to address the ease with which the gunman in Colorado acquired his arsenal.
    We need better psychological screening of gun owners when they purchase weapons.

    More specifically, we need higher levels of screening that correspond with the lethality of the weapon being purchased.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    What should these controls look like?
    Much stricter controls on purchases. Background checks that actually work. Limits on amount of ammo (does anyone really need 3000 rounds at one time?).
    Bars are held responsible if they get someone drunk and then that person drives in that condition. Why shouldn't gun dealers be held to a similar standard of social responsibility?
    People will argue that the Colorado gunman could have just thrown bombs into the theater, except he didn’t, because it’s a lot easier to guns and ammo stuff online, unregulated and anonymously, or in a shop where no one really questions why he needs so much ammo and two assault rifles.
    I understand liberty, but I also understand social responsibility and the two are out of balance in America on a regular basis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
    Tell me what needs to be done to address the ease with which the gunman in Colorado acquired his arsenal.
    Discussed this with a buddy of mine last night.

    Both of us realize that the arguments of most gun control freaks are idiotic.

    But we both agreed that the ability to buy an assault rifle is something that should require extra restrictions.

    We settled on two conditions: 1) one must have a gun license for at least 10 years (to prevent people who want to go buy one in order to imminently commit an assault); and 2) pass a psychological evaluation saying that you are mentally fit for owning such a weapon (i.e., extremely low probability of ever using it illegally).

    Admittedly, I don't know much about gun control laws, so I defer to Disco when it comes to what restrictions are already out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nebbykoo View Post
    People will argue that the Colorado gunman could have just thrown bombs into the theater, except he didn’t, because it’s a lot easier to guns and ammo stuff online, unregulated and anonymously, or in a shop where no one really questions why he needs so much ammo and two assault rifles.
    That's not a strong argument.

    The "he could have just used a bomb" argument is definitely stronger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Why does the distribution matter?

    Guns are legal, therefore, those with the cash and the inclination (and no felony record) can buy them. I don't see any reason to distribute guns more equally.
    But it is a constitutional right. If it were not important to have guns, the right to have guns would be rather meaningless. So a true American should strive to facilitate all US citizens to possess guns. I have been told it prevents crimes to bear arms; as Kalach pointed out, it is also the constitutional thing to do. As such, the state should support and, perhaps, sponsor gun sales to private citizens.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    But it is a constitutional right. If it were not important to have guns, the right to have guns would be rather meaningless. So a true American should strive to facilitate all US citizens to possess guns. I have been told it prevents crimes to bear arms; as Kalach pointed out, it is also the constitutional thing to do. As such, the state should support and, perhaps, sponsor gun sales to private citizens.
    Well, aside from the obvious irony and logical fallacies...

    You're looking at things from a more Continental/European (i.e., positive) view of liberty.

    We take a more Anglo-American (i.e., negative) view of liberty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nicodemus View Post
    But it is a constitutional right. If it were not important to have guns, the right to have guns would be rather meaningless. So a true American should strive to facilitate all US citizens to possess guns. I have been told it prevents crimes to bear arms; as Kalach pointed out, it is also the constitutional thing to do. As such, the state should support and, perhaps, sponsor gun sales to private citizens.
    Really?

    I would think the different between a right to own a gun, and mandatory gun ownership would not be lost on you.

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