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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    Not to mention that '15 times the chance' is meaningless.

    At least make a more legitimate gripe that doesn't hinge on a mathematical fallacy.

    Multiplication sounds big because of the way it works. If you think about it though, '15 times the chance' is only worth something if people also get shot in Australia, because it is completely invalidated otherwise.

    Maybe the odds of getting shot in Australia is something like getting struck by lightning, but were taking such a low number and multiplying it by only 15 which makes it STILL a low number. You go from 1 in a million to 15 in a million. Whoopty doo.

    Edit: and on that note, if something in Australia times only 15 is frightening enough to reconsider travel then that reflects just as much on Australia. If multiplying it by 15 is such a worry, then I'd not only say "Reconsider travel to the US" but I'd also say "Reconsider living in Australia" as well. It cracks me up when people think tiny numbers are big. If you had to take a shoe off to count that high then it must be significant!

    Do you think this figure takes population into account. Since the population of the U.S is 14-15 times larger than that of australia, wouldn't the U.S having 15 times the number of people dying from guns indicate that the percentage of the population killed by guns is the same?

    I never claimed to be good at math though so i could be totally wrong.

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    I'm sick and tired of people who have never even set foot in the US hating on us. Yes the US has problems, not denying that, but really come here before you talk shit. that's what i do. Oh and living here my whole life, and I have yet to have a gun pointed at me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CzeCze View Post
    Because you guys did pretty well with the Aborigines without guns, huh?
    No, no, no...get with the program. Not one Aboriginal person died or suffered due to a white Australian! There is no blood on the wattle. Victor will tell you aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaalllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll llllllllllllll about that. (if he hasn't already.)
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    So Victor, what about the Port Arthur massacre? How/why do you think that happened? Pretty horrific as I recall. I didn't think it was even POSSIBLE for such things to happen in Aus!
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    I've lived in the U.S. my whole life, but other than childhood skirmishes the only violence I've encountered has been in other countries while traveling.

    One encounter was in Guatemala and two encounters were in the UK. In Guatemala my group was attacked by drunken, machete wielding, Guatemalans. The hard-nosed American rancher was responsible as he didn't pull his gun on the Guatemalans as he knew he could just man-handle them.

    In London I had to stop a violent domestic dispute in a tube station. Wrestling a guy who is larger than you within a few feet of train tracks isn't exactly the safest thing in the world. If I had a gun my encounter in the London tubes would probably have been safer.

    In Scotland, a Canadian and myself were attacked by a raging drunk. A gun wouldn't have been much good against someone so far gone. But, despite his inability to reason and the gun and knife laws in place he still managed to turn his belt into a weapon and give the Canadian a four inch gash on his head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by prplchknz View Post
    I'm sick and tired of people who have never even set foot in the US hating on us. Yes the US has problems, not denying that, but really come here before you talk shit. that's what i do. Oh and living here my whole life, and I have yet to have a gun pointed at me.
    Right. It depends on where you go, although in the small city where I lived, there was a shootout once and the guy while running got jumped by police within 25 feet of my parked car in my apartment lot. And at night on occasion, I could hear a gunshot.

    But I've never really been in threat of physical violence, ever. It depends on where you are and what time of day it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Right. It depends on where you go, although in the small city where I lived, there was a shootout once and the guy while running got jumped by police within 25 feet of my parked car in my apartment lot. And at night on occasion, I could hear a gunshot.

    But I've never really been in threat of physical violence, ever. It depends on where you are and what time of day it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    What you lack is politicians with the courage of our Prime Minister, John Howard, and our Deputy Prime Minister, Tim Fischer OA, to take your evil National Rifle Association head on and ban guns.
    Actually, what we lack is the desire to mollify critics from other nations who think they know what's best for us.
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    I own 4 guns. Americans love a variety.

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    Despite US gun culture, the number of people murdered is falling almost every year.

    http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr...es/10tbl01.xls

    The problem in the US, when it comes to violence, isn't gun culture as much as it is the War on Drugs and the conditions that "war" promotes (increased gang violence).

    Also, the homicide rate in the US is not 15 times higher than Australia's, it's only about 4 times higher. Australians just use different weapons.
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