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    Despite the defeat Romney can have a field day with this.

    Obama is taxing the poorest Americans in support of the largest corporations.
    Yes, as long as mass amnesia reigns so Romney can explain how ObamaCare is unfair, even though Romney spearheaded RomneyCare (which works much the same way) in Massachusetts. RomneyCare is one reason why Massachusetts today has 93.7% healthcare coverage. (And granted, there's a separate "states rights" issue, but that's about the only ground that Romney can legitimately argue from.)

    Quote Originally Posted by UniqueMixture View Post
    Yeah true. But only because the Republicans never would have accepted the earlier bill because it was deemed too socialist.
    That's very true. ObamaCare is really very much a compromise bill (with the lack of elegance that implies) modeled largely on earlier Republican efforts. Keep in mind that RomneyCare was backed by the Heritage Foundation and the Manhattan Institute at the time. It's kind of funny to see many of the same mechanisms today vilified as a socialist horror.

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    I'm a bit late in saying this (someone might have said it)

    But I like how everyone that is dissing on the ACA is talking about moving to Canada.

    Canada would be the worst place to move to if you don't like the ACA.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rail Tracer View Post
    I'm a bit late in saying this (someone might have said it)

    But I like how everyone that is dissing on the ACA is talking about moving to Canada.

    Canada would be the worst place to move to if you don't like the ACA.
    "Everyone" is a bit of a hyperbole, don't you think? I don't recall threatening to move anywhere.
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    Robert Reich seems to agree with Krauthammer about the reasons for Roberts decision and likewise (and less subtly) heaps scorn on Roberts 'tax' justification:
    http://www.salon.com/2012/06/28/robe...%80%99_switch/

    Looks like this might develop into a bipartisan consensus....numerous commentators from both parties have also been speculating that this is some kind of 'Queens Gambit' by Roberts to buttress the percieved legitimacy of the Supreme Court, limit the Commerce Clause through majority opinion, and label Obama as the biggest tax-raiser in history before the election, all while justifying his decision through such torturous sophistry that it could not credibly be used to justify anything else in the future.*

    There is also increasing bi-partisan speculation (based on the discrepencies in the grammar of both decisions, as well as what was included and where) that Roberts changed his mind at the last minute, either because of outside pressure or simply because it took him that long to come up with a semi-plausible justification.

    If any of the above is the case, then I think Roberts was too clever for his (and by extension, Constitutionally limited government's) own good....

    *Yeah, cause patently absurd justifications for Supreme Court decisions NEVER become accepted precedent.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seymour View Post
    That's very true. ObamaCare is really very much a compromise bill (with the lack of elegance that implies) modeled largely on earlier Republican efforts. Keep in mind that RomneyCare was backed by the Heritage Foundation and the Manhattan Institute at the time. It's kind of funny to see many of the same mechanisms today vilified as a socialist horror.
    This is what is wrong with politics. They don't care about the nation. They just care about winning elections.

    I think we may be much better off if we selected public officials at all levels (including the president, senators, and representatives) through a random selection from the citizens, kinda like serving on a jury (except longer).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrinth View Post
    "Everyone" is a bit of a hyperbole, don't you think? I don't recall threatening to move anywhere.
    Fine, the people who are dissing ACA and who talk about moving to Canada to get away from Obamacare.

    Happy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    This is what is wrong with politics. They don't care about the nation. They just care about winning elections.

    I think we may be much better off if we selected public officials at all levels (including the president, senators, and representatives) through a random selection from the citizens, kinda like serving on a jury (except longer).
    Very, very, very, very bad idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rail Tracer View Post
    Fine, the people who are dissing ACA and who talk about moving to Canada to get away from Obamacare.

    Happy?
    Not really, now I'm confused.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrinth View Post
    Not really, now I'm confused.
    There was a huge group of people talking about moving to Canada once they found out that the ACA was ruled constitutional.

    But at the same time, those people didn't know that Canada has a system there that these same people may consider what is even worse than what we have here, Universal Healthcare.

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