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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    And... here:
    http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions...11-393c3a2.pdf

    @tinker683: I don't know the answer. Maybe someone does, here. I'd probably just start Googling things, if it were me, to see if that had been specified yet by the health care plan details as released prior.
    Well, thats why I asked. I tried searching around and I got overwhelmed with all kinds of information/opinions/rants/etc.. but little in specific details.

    My own feelings about the bill aside, I want to start planning for the future and I just don't know what to do yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Regardless of the goodness of the intentions behind the ACA, it is still a cumbersome and inefficient beast, that hasn't been shown to increase bang per buck within health care spending.

    This must be addressed if we are to remain fiscally solvent over the course of the 21st century.
    My feelings exactly.
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    I'll be interested to see how many small businesses fire enough people to fall under the exemption from new employer responsibility policies (found here).

    Those policies apply to all employers with 50 employees or more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    I'll be interested to see how many small businesses fire enough people to fall under the exemption from new employer responsibility policies (found here).

    Those policies apply to all employers with 50 employees or more.
    I am the co-owner of a real estate brokerage and we technically don't have "employees" but rather self-employed independent contractors (nobody is salaried, everyone is self employed) so I'm VERY interested in how this law will effect businesses like mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinker683 View Post
    I am the co-owner of a real estate brokerage and we technically don't have "employees" but rather self-employed independent contractors (nobody is salaried, everyone is self employed) so I'm VERY interested in how this law will effect businesses like mine.
    I'm an IC realtor with Prudential, and the fact that Realtors are IC's would probably exempt you from consideration, unless you have 50 salaried employees that aren't IC's.

    Needless to say, even though you may be exempt from the regulatory burdens I spoke of above, you will certainly face a greater regulatory burden than you did prior to the ACA being upheld.

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    Despite the defeat Romney can have a field day with this.

    Obama is taxing the poorest Americans in support of the largest corporations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    Despite the defeat Romney can have a field day with this.
    Obama is taxing the poorest Americans in support of the largest corporations.
    I guess it depends on the spin you want to add.

    I'm sure he'd say he's helping the middle-class by not expecting them to pick up the tab for people who don't have health insurance.

    But that's all elections are about anyway: Who can create the most believable spin.

    Just curious: Are you for Romney, or just against Obama? (no judgment, I just see the two positions as different). I'm not thrilled about Romney whatsoever. Not sure where I stand if I had to evaluate my "pro-obama" leanings.

    Another set of comments of interest from the blog:

    Essentially, a majority of the Court has accepted the Administration's backup argument that, as Roberts put it, "the mandate can be regarded as establishing a condition -- not owning health insurance -- that triggers a tax -- the required payment to IRS." Actually, this was the Administration's second backup argument: first argument was Commerce Clause, second was Necessary and Proper Clause, and third was as a tax. The third argument won.

    The rejection of the Commerce Clause and Nec. and Proper Clause should be understood as a major blow to Congress's authority to pass social welfare laws. Using the tax code -- especially in the current political environment -- to promote social welfare is going to be a very chancy proposition.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I guess it depends on the spin you want to add.

    I'm sure he'd say he's helping the middle-class by not expecting them to pick up the tab for people who don't have health insurance.

    But that's all elections are about anyway: Who can create the most believable spin.
    That's all elections are about now.

    We have not always been so narrow minded, oppositional, or mean spirited.

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    A friend just posted this on facebook, and it gave me quite the chuckle:


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    Republicans should be rejoicing over this ruling. They've been looking for ways to justify taxing the poor for years. Obama found one.
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