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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority."
    That's the problem I have with this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    The fact that I happen to rank higher than the vast majority of people is merely a fact
    Are you posting under the influence of alcohol or a controlled substance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    You're more delusional than I thought.
    A grad school education, and that's the best you could come up with...

    Note taken.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jaguar View Post
    Are you posting under the influence of alcohol or a controlled substance?
    No, but there is plenty of evidence that supports my claim.

    Why do you inherently have a problem with such an assertion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Well, by the time you get to 7th Grade in Texas, you're not being taught via the OBE method anymore, because you're being taught for one purpose: passing the TAKS test.

    What they want is for education to be almost wholly dedicated to the rote memorization of facts from an authority, reinforcing the lesson that authorities are to be obeyed, and that one's success is dependent on how well you please the authority. That's all it is.
    ???

    Why would you complain about being taught straight facts?
    The state can only force specific beliefs down your throat if controversial topics are being discussed. They can develop the same skills thinking about the Pythagorean theorem, Shakespeare, and photosynthesis that they can thinking about evolution, religion, and climate change.

    Also, one's success is dependent on pleasing authority.

    Start committing felonies and tell me whether that helps or hinders your success.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    ???

    Why would you complain about being taught straight facts?
    The state can only force specific beliefs down your throat if controversial topics are being discussed. They can develop the same skills thinking about the Pythagorean theorem, Shakespeare, and photosynthesis that they can thinking about evolution, religion, and climate change.

    Also, one's success is dependent on pleasing authority.

    Start committing felonies and tell me whether that helps or hinders your success.
    I'm pretty sure Texas is teaching creation in the science classrooms. Where is all the factual evidence to support that? I really don't think learning "fact" is what the GOP is concerned about in Texas. It's about continuing the cycle of learning what they, their fathers and their father's fathers have been conditioned with.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    So?
    Does that make them wrong for opposing OBE?
    Did my post go over your head?
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by swordpath View Post
    That's the problem I have with this.
    That's just their justification for opposing OBE. That justification is made for fearful parents who support the GOP. That doesn't mean there aren't other good reasons to oppose OBE.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Did my post go over your head?
    See my above post to swordpath.
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    I mean, call it what you want, but they spelled it out very clearly in quotes what the actual fear is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beefeater View Post
    See my above post to swordpath.
    You've got it backwards.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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