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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    These juveniles (mostly male) probably deserved it.
    If you are suggesting I was implying that, you've succeeded in offending me. Good job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    You're probably right. I don't think it's "common knowledge" that female prison employees also assault a significant number of prisoners for people who don't have your knowledge.
    Yeah, other people I've disussed it with are likely just speculating vs actually being informed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patches View Post
    If you are suggesting I was implying that, you've succeeded in offending me. Good job.
    I wasn't implying that was your personal opinion. It's an accepted opinion in our society. When males are victims, it's perfectly acceptable to say they probably did something to deserve it. You can even say that on national TV to get some laughs.
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    That's an interesting tidbit. More details can be found in Table 11 and the surrounding paragraphs, if you scroll through the pdf:

    1) Far more males than females are incarcerated (91 vs. 9%) and there are more male staff members (58 vs 42%)

    2) 92% of all reported sexual activity (forced or not) is female staff/male youth and 3% is male staff/female youth. 1.7% is male staff/male youth and 0% female staff/female youth. The remaining ~3% described incidents from both male and female staff.

    3) These figures include both forced and non-forced activities (but there are no huge differences - male staff are overrepresented in the forced group vs. non-forced, but not by a ton)

    4) Sexual activities include oral, manual and penetrative sex, lumped together. I was curious but couldn't find a male-female breakdown of these.

    5) From Table 8, it seems that 11% of male youth and 5% of female youth are victimized by staff overall; however 2% of male youth and 9% of female youth are victimized by other youth.

    So there's clearly a strong tendency for these activities to be heterosexual, and it looks like male youth are slightly more likely than female youth to be victimized by staff - I'd hazard a guess that female youth are probably more carefully supervised and/or that male staff members are more afraid of being caught. This study shows that the male youth have a need for increased protection from staff, and that female youth have a need for increased protection from other youth.
    -end of thread-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I wasn't implying that was your personal opinion. It's an accepted opinion in our society. When males are victims, it's perfectly acceptable to say they probably did something to deserve it. You can even say it on national TV to get some laughs.
    You realize you sound exactly like the people who claim that it's socially accepted opinion that a girl deserves to be raped when she wears slutty clothing?

    I've never met that part of society, apparently. I mostly just meet the part of society that likes to claim that the other part of society makes those accusations.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patches View Post
    You realize you sound exactly like the people who claim that it's socially accepted opinion that a girl deserves to be raped when she wears slutty clothing?

    I've never met that part of society, apparently. I mostly just meet the part of society that likes to claim that the other part of society makes those accusations.
    You must live in a cave.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    So there's clearly a strong tendency for these activities to be heterosexual, and it looks like male youth are slightly more likely than female youth to be victimized by staff - I'd hazard a guess that female youth are probably more carefully supervised and/or that male staff members are more afraid of being caught. This study shows that the male youth have a need for increased protection from staff, and that female youth have a need for increased protection from other youth.
    I wonder if a female prison guard could sue the juvenile she raped for child support if she got pregnant.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I wonder if a female prison guard could sue the juvenile she raped for child support if she got pregnant.
    One would hope not. Mind you as I mentioned, the study doesn't distinguish between penetrative and non-penetrative sex, so it's unclear how many of the incidents were "rape" in the sense that you seem to be using it.
    -end of thread-

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randomnity View Post
    One would hope not. Mind you as I mentioned, the study doesn't distinguish between penetrative and non-penetrative sex, so it's unclear how many of the incidents were "rape" in the sense that you seem to be using it.
    It has happened.

    http://www.dispatch.com/content/stor...1_T0B1RSR.html

    In this case the male rape victim was not a prisoner, but legal precedent has been set. Female rapists can sue their male victims for child support.

    Are you saying statutory rape is not "rape"? I'm curious as to why you don't think this is "rape".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    It has happened.

    http://www.dispatch.com/content/stor...1_T0B1RSR.html

    In this case the male rape victim was not a prisoner, but legal precedent has been set. Female rapists can sue their male victims for child support.

    Are you saying statutory rape is not "rape"? I'm curious as to why you don't think this is "rape".
    Should be interesting to see where this goes.

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