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    Is it your assertion that women are more likely to be sexual molesters?
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    It really bothers me that you laced a perfectly good topic of conversation... With accusations and sarcasm. Why do you make such an effort to pick a fight over it?


    I find it believable. When I first read it, it sounded absurd but i lacked context for the statistic. Upon looking more carefully, it says that 10.3% of youth reported an incident involving staff. Given that 91% of those youths are male.... It makes sense to me that a high number of these abuses would be by females. While I'm sure male on male abuse happens, it seems obvious that the majority would be heterosexual.

    Honestly, I'm not sure why the concern here is on gender of those involved. I find the prevalence if sexual assault both between other youths and staff to be the alarming part. But yeah, why don't we just make the issue feminism. That totally makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AphroditeGoneAwry View Post
    Is it your assertion that women are more likely to be sexual molesters?
    Nope, but it could be true. Unfortunately, so much effort has been put forth to show that men are violent and women are victims that we, as a society, really have no quantifiable idea of how violent women actually are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patches View Post
    It really bothers me that you laced a perfectly good topic of conversation... With accusations and sarcasm. Why do you make such an effort to pick a fight over it?


    I find it believable. When I first read it, it sounded like you were saying that 95% of male youth's were abused by females. Upon looking more carefully, it says that 10.3% of youth reported an incident involving staff. Given that 91% of those youths are male.... It makes sense to me that a high number of these abuses would be by females. While I'm sure male on male abuse happens, it seems obvious that the majority would be heterosexual.

    Honestly, I'm not sure why the concern here is on gender of those involved. I find the prevalence if sexual assault both between other youths and staff to be the alarming part. But yeah, why don't we just make the issue feminism. That totally makes sense.
    This report is more than two years old. If you don't use some inflammatory language, no one will notice. And if the situation had been reversed, we absolutely would have had heard about it. When women are the perpetrators, there's usually some justification given. These juveniles (mostly male) probably deserved it.
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    Seems to be a pretty well done report.

    So women workers in juvenile homes are twice as likely as male workers to sexually exploit adjudicants, at the rate of 1 out of 10 boys, and 1 out of 25 girls, usually non-forcefully.

    Sounds like the notion that women are safer is starting to prove incorrect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    This report is more than two years old. If you don't use some inflammatory language, no one will notice. And if the situation had been reversed, we absolutely would have had heard about it. When women are the perpetrators, there's usually some justification given. These juveniles (mostly male) probably deserved it.
    I was of the impression that assaults of this nature within the prison systems [including various juvenile detention centers] were commonplace. Like, having a detailed study on it isn't necessarily breaking news, by any means, though the stats do offer some degree of dimension.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patches View Post
    It really bothers me that you laced a perfectly good topic of conversation... With accusations and sarcasm. Why do you make such an effort to pick a fight over it?


    I find it believable. When I first read it, it sounded like you were saying that 95% of male youth's were abused by females. Upon looking more carefully, it says that 10.3% of youth reported an incident involving staff. Given that 91% of those youths are male.... It makes sense to me that a high number of these abuses would be by females. While I'm sure male on male abuse happens, it seems obvious that the majority would be heterosexual.

    Honestly, I'm not sure why the concern here is on gender of those involved. I find the prevalence if sexual assault both between other youths and staff to be the alarming part. But yeah, why don't we just make the issue feminism. That totally makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexicon View Post
    I was of the impression that assaults of this nature within the prison systems [including various juvenile detention centers] were commonplace. Like, having a detailed study on it isn't necessarily breaking news, by any means, though the stats do offer some degree of dimension.
    It should be news when the findings defy expectation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    It should be news when the findings defy expectation.
    I meant, I was of the impression it was commonplace-regardless of gender- but perhaps that may also be from personally knowing people who work within said systems.. though others who've discussed it around me before seem to more or less acknowledge similar understandings, as well, hence my assumption it wasn't necessarily new information being presented to the general public.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexicon View Post
    I meant, I was of the impression it was commonplace-regardless of gender- but perhaps that may also be from personally knowing people who work within said systems.
    You're probably right. I don't think it's "common knowledge" that female prison employees also assault a significant number of prisoners for people who don't have your knowledge.
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