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    I'm sympathetic.

    I don't subscribe to the 'good vs evil' dogma. Actions, I think, are always goal-serving and goals are sometime at odds with other goals.

    In another world he would have been considered typically human. In this one he is human scum. I have goals as well. At times I'll do something that is disagreeable to another in an effort to achieve my goals. In this world, perhaps luckily, my goals and the actions I take in pursuit of those goals are seen as acceptable. In another I might be considered human scum.

    Unfortunately for him, the reality of this world is just that...the reality of this world. Given that, his actions weren't rational (that is, if he has a problem with his situation) so, while I'm sympathetic, I'm not overly concerned. It has little to do with me or my own world.

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    ^That's sounds like some weird attempt at intellectualization of simple evil. How is it not evil to force a child to have sex with you? Especially when they are crying and upset, and when you know down the line that later you've traumatized them (meaning you cannot pretend it didn't hurt them).
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    I think you can be sympathetic to Sandusky's situation without feeling like he isn't responsible or that his sentence is too harsh. I agree with Jonnyboy and I don't know why it seems like those who disagree with him here think that he's saying it's not Sandusky's fault or that he should get a lighter sentence. Some people's sexual proclivities are celebrated, some are tolerated, some are scorned, and some are abhorred. It's possible to recognize the dilemma of the person whose desires are abhorred while still agreeing that those desires should be abhorred.
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    That sentiment seems contradictory to me though, because the harshest penalties are reserved for those that commit the most heinous crimes, both in thought and in deed. If Sandusky's crimes are so heinous and are deserving of the sentence he received, then how is there still room for pity or empathy? Pedophilia is one thing, and then Sandusky's case is a completely different monster.

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    I have no sympathy for Sandusky. I'm ready to forget that he exists.

    When will we start to see hundreds (or thousands) of Catholic priests going to prison for the rest of their lives? It will never happen because as terribly as Penn State handled this situation, the Catholic Church was worse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    I have no sympathy for Sandusky. I'm ready to forget that he exists.

    When will we start to see hundreds (or thousands) of Catholic priests going to prison for the rest of their lives? It will never happen because as terribly as Penn State handled this situation, the Catholic Church was worse.
    Yeah, this topic came up on the radio station I was listening to today -- that if Sandusky had been a Catholic priest, then instead of facing incarceration for the rest of his life, the families would have been paid off and he merely would have received a transfer elsewhere.
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    I think you can be sympathetic to Sandusky's situation without feeling like he isn't responsible or that his sentence is too harsh. I agree with Jonnyboy and I don't know why it seems like those who disagree with him here think that he's saying it's not Sandusky's fault or that he should get a lighter sentence. Some people's sexual proclivities are celebrated, some are tolerated, some are scorned, and some are abhorred. It's possible to recognize the dilemma of the person whose desires are abhorred while still agreeing that those desires should be abhorred.
    Probably because it deals with kids. You're bypassing any rational discussion when you start messing with people's kids, you're cutting straight into parental instinct and there's just not a lot of room for mercy or philosophical musing there.

    I can empathize with someone who is saddled with proclivities that they wish they didn't have; we each have certain preferences (not just sexual) that we did not ask for, they just exist and we must deal with them. Some of these desires might be more positive than others; some desires might be downright destructive. (Kind of reminds me of this episode of X-Files I saw once, called "Hungry," where the protagonist was a mutant carnivore who fed on humans; he didn't ask to have those desires, he just did, and finally he got tired of fighting the impulse, as he also felt he was denying a natural intrinsic part of himself.)

    Basically we're still responsible for our desires. if they are harmless to others and/or can be controlled so as to be harmless, not a big deal. If they automatically exploit others, especially those who are vulnerable and supposed to be care for rather than exploited, then that's a huge deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    [...] if Sandusky had been a Catholic priest, then instead of facing incarceration for the rest of his life, the families would have been paid off and he merely would have received a transfer elsewhere.
    Pathetic, and most likely true.

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