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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffster View Post
    I'm not going to vote for Obama. The moment I found out he voted against a bill to ban the killing of infants born alive from failed abortions while in the state senate in Illinois, I could never support him for anything ever. His explanation for why he voted against it was one of the biggest crocks of crap I have ever heard too. He's a slick opportunist who's riding a wave of Anybody-but-Bush sentiment and will hopefully crash right into a passing ship.
    Can you post a link to support this argument?

    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    They both suck. McCain sucks a little bit less (but not much).

    Obama is taking campaigning to a new level, though. Apparently he thinks citizens of other countries can vote in our elections.

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    Is it possible for person to ever get elected President of the United States without resorting to politics?

    A lot of American's are deeply concerned about America's image abroad. How is he supposed to convince the American people he can repair those relations without appealing to foreigners?

    Do you remember McCain joke about Iran? "Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran." When he was asked whether it would offend people, his response was: "offend who? Iran"

    In my mind that paints a picture of Republicans forming a big red wall of arrogance around the America. This is what I mean by picture. What pictures do you see in your mind? This is a psychology forum, not so much political.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LostInNerSpace View Post
    Which of the two are you NOT going to support and why?

    I am interested in attempting to uncover some of the psychology. Knowing what I know about psychology I can tell you most people will not know exactly why they do or do not support a candidate. People make decisions based on emotion (in the subconscious mind) and then rationalize / justify in the conscious mind. The rationalizations are not rational at all and create an illusion of objectivity.

    If possible try to describe the pictures that may be in your head as you think of your choice?
    Actually I'm not voting against McCain as much as I'm voting forObama. I think both would make decent presidents, but I think Obama will make a better one. Of course George W. Bush is the current standard for what a president is like, so it's hard to get any worse.

    Overall I think Obama will make the more effective leader. He's obviously the more persuasive of the two, and the ability to persuade is a vital skill in politics. Also I don't like many of the things that Bush has done, and I think Obama is going to do more things to remedy the Bush mistakes than McCain will. For example I think the Iraq war has been a 6 year distraction from the real threat in the Afghanistan/Pakistan area. Also in my lifetime Democrats have been more fiscally responsible than Republicans, and data shows that the economy has been stronger under Clinton than any of our recent Republican presidents. I think McCain will make a decent president too, but I see Obama having more positives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LostInNerSpace View Post
    Can you post a link to support this argument?
    Jill Stanek - Links to Barack Obama's votes on IL's Born Alive Infant Protection Act

    illinoisreview: Top 10 reasons Obama voted against the Illinois Born Alive Infant Protection Act

    There's just a couple. There's many more.
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    I can understand those who question Obama, but having McCain in office is going to be a war-torn nightmare. The "Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran" joke pretty much sums it up. IMO it's a choice between a politician and a belligerent psychopath. I'll choose the politician, thank you very much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LostInNerSpace View Post
    Can you post a link to support this argument?



    Is it possible for person to ever get elected President of the United States without resorting to politics?

    A lot of American's are deeply concerned about America's image abroad. How is he supposed to convince the American people he can repair those relations without appealing to foreigners?

    Do you remember McCain joke about Iran? "Bomb, bomb, bomb Iran." When he was asked whether it would offend people, his response was: "offend who? Iran"

    In my mind that paints a picture of Republicans forming a big red wall of arrogance around the America. This is what I mean by picture. What pictures do you see in your mind? This is a psychology forum, not so much political.
    I thought was actually very funny and one of the few times John McCain elicited a smile and positive feelings in me. And I only care what other people about the United States in the context of trade/war/terrorism, etc. I find it ceaselessly amusing when someone from a decrepit European faux-social democracy criticizes the United States.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    I thought was actually very funny and one of the few times John McCain elicited a smile and positive feelings in me.
    I thought it was funny too.

    I wish people in those positions had the freedom to make jokes more often, without having someone flipping out over it. Unfortunately, the wide variety of opinion and personality and life philosophies involved in natural coverage/agendas means that the lowest common denominator usually trumps everything else. People pick up anything they don't like and wield it like a club, no way around it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    I thought it was funny too.

    I wish people in those positions had the freedom to make jokes more often, without having someone flipping out over it. Unfortunately, the wide variety of opinion and personality and life philosophies involved in natural coverage/agendas means that the lowest common denominator usually trumps everything else. People pick up anything they don't like and wield it like a club, no way around it.
    "Flag lapel pin politics" at its finest. It's so much easier to get worked up over non-issues, since most people, even (especially?) committed voters actually don't know jack about politics. Remember when Arnold called the Democrats in California "girly men" and people freaked out? Seriously, if that offends your sensibilities, you shouldn't be involved in politics at all, and you shouldn't probably have surgery to remove the stick lodged in your rectum.
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    Two bad choices. Awful choices. If this was a banana republic, we'd be having a coup right about now. I won't vote for either, but McCain is slightly less offensive to me than Obama. I'm very disturbed by Obama's followers since they clearly have very little intelligence - they believe in someone with no track record, no platform, nothing. It's like the Kerry campaign all over again - the few things he does show any opinion on he changes constantly, while trying his best to avoid admitting to an opinion to begin with so they aren't so glaring and running on the "change" ticket.

    Either one will be a one-term president, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LostInNerSpace View Post
    A lot of American's are deeply concerned about America's image abroad. How is he supposed to convince the American people he can repair those relations without appealing to foreigners?
    Some might view his plastering of a holy site with campaign posters as offensive. If he visits Mecca, would he put up campaign posters at the Kaaba, as well? It's pretty much the same thing. I don't think that attitude helps America's image, at all.
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