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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post


    Why all the speculation? I hate it when people say, "Oh this dude is going to screw everything up," before they are even nominated. What hard evidence do you have to support such a claim?

    If we are speaking economically, then some socialistic policies work out and others don't just as some capitalistic policies work out and others don't. I think Obama has a strong and well balanced mixture of the two. I agree that I would like less government overall, but neither McCain nor Obama advocate that approach.

    All of the above is better than what we have had the last eight years.
    It's unfortunate that the few things that the Bush Administration (and, oddly the Clinton Administration) got right are the things being attacked right now. Bush was decent on free trade, got immigration right, and has started on reforming farm policy. So, naturally, Democrats are blasting free trade and globalization, kinda sorta going along on immigration (the only people with a totally coherent policy are the xenophobes who are wrong), and everyone wants to shovel money to ethanol when food prices are spiraling up. McCain has stayed out of the fray by being Captain America, and not knowing one iota about economics. It's pretty depressing.

    Oh, and I think that Hillary is actually the least classically liberal candidate left, slightly less so than Obama. Huckabee was the the least of all them. He is like a nightmare candidate for someone like me. If even 1% of me had been considering voting McCain, it would be extinguished if Huckabee were the VP candidate. And Bob Barr looks to be the Libertarian Party candidate. The same Bob Barr who, 10 years ago, was Johnny Impeachalot, and was one of the most zealous drug warriors in Congress. Blech.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    It's unfortunate that the few things that the Bush Administration (and, oddly the Clinton Administration) got right are the things being attacked right now. Bush was decent on free trade, got immigration right, and has started on reforming farm policy. So, naturally, Democrats are blasting free trade and globalization, kinda sorta going along on immigration (the only people with a totally coherent policy are the xenophobes who are wrong), and everyone wants to shovel money to ethanol when food prices are spiraling up. McCain has stayed out of the fray by being Captain America, and not knowing one iota about economics. It's pretty depressing.
    Um...yeah...not gonna play partisan bullshit.

    If they got the issues right then we wouldn't be dealing with them now. Accusing each side is like throwing rocks at a barn. You just can't miss because it's just such a broad and mindless target. Not to mention it is an oversimplification because a good share of them switch sides consistently. The reality is that both sides are incompetent and we need to clear out the whole lot.

    Oh, and I think that Hillary is actually the least classically liberal candidate left, slightly less so than Obama. Huckabee was the the least of all them. He is like a nightmare candidate for someone like me. If even 1% of me had been considering voting McCain, it would be extinguished if Huckabee were the VP candidate. And Bob Barr looks to be the Libertarian Party candidate. The same Bob Barr who, 10 years ago, was Johnny Impeachalot, and was one of the most zealous drug warriors in Congress. Blech.
    I don't know why it matters who the most or least "classical liberal" of the candidates is. If we want to go by the historical definition, should I go with the candidate that embraces slavery and the subjugation of women? Even many of the framers of the Constitution said they had done the best they could and it was up to the future generations to improve upon their ideas. That is why I am going to vote for the one with the best ideas, not the one who wants to back pedal the fastest. I imagine it would make a lot of the framers pissed off that American's look at many countries in Western Europe which have better health and care for their citizens (and a stronger currency I might add) and we dismiss them by saying, "Oh no, they are socialists!" Especially since the founders most likely got our concept of a nation over states from the Iroquois or as Benjamin Franklin said, "If the savages can do it, then why can't we?" The framers put every idea on the table, but the so called "classical liberals" of today are about as closed minded as you can get.
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    Can we have options for foreign devils like me?

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    I thought about that, but I am trying to find out specifically how many are supporting Obama and how many McCain. Who were you thinking of mentioning?
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    No I just wanted some sort of I hate american politics option

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    Ron Paul.

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    ^ He's still in the race?

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