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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    I know, you can just feel the seething hatred they have for each other.



    Don't always believe the picture the media paints. What is undeniable is that McCain openly supports Bush's economic policies and continuing the war in Iraq. If that isn't "more of the same" then I don't know what is.
    Everything I have ever read or heard secondhand from people involved in politics = there is a mutual disdain that goes back to 2000, and McCain most likely considered Bush a dimwit even before that. Political expediency makes for funny photo ops. Look at this one:



    Are these two bosom buddies, as well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    Well. Mercury is accurate in that McCain feels differently about immigration and environmentalism, at least.
    I actually do believe that McCain mostly hates Bush. I believe the stories that McCain considered switching parties, actively talked about being Kerry's VP in 2004, and didn't vote for Bush in 2000.

    So, what's with all of McCains behavior for the past few years? He's lauging around with Bush, he took a 180 on the tax policy and supports it now, and he turned his war criticism way down, now focusing more on how he liked the concept instead of how he hated the execution.
    As I see it, McCain knows political expediency. He hates Bush, but he knows that Bush is president, and that Bush was elected by the same party that McCain seeks. McCain simply does what it takes to win. Just like how he hated the Christian fundies and then started having photo ops with them.

    I'm not defending McCain, but I am saying that I really doubt he's the Republican model that Democrats are trying to say he his.

    (you might want to remember, kiddo, people thought George Bush and Vicente Fox were friends. Oops!)
    McCain's hawkishness knows almost no bounds. He truly is the Teddy Roosevelt, big stick, National Greatness conservative. It's a creepy combination, if you ask me. At least he isn't a Jesus freak, but he still disturbs me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    McCain's hawkishness knows almost no bounds. He truly is the Teddy Roosevelt, big stick, National Greatness conservative. It's a creepy combination, if you ask me. At least he isn't a Jesus freak, but he still disturbs me.
    That is one of the things that concerns me. He was a POW and he is pretty set in his attitudes about military action. I won't doubt his experience, or even his insight, but I worry that he would treat all military situations the same. In fact, it is my genuine concern that in addition to continuing in Iraq, he may seek further invasions. And maybe even a further invasion into American liberties and privacy in an attempt to combat "terrorism".
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    I really like Teddy Roosevelt...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I really like Teddy Roosevelt...
    As a man, he was fascinating. He had a lot of interests and quirks. As a politician, though, I am not the biggest fan. I'm more of a Grover Cleveland type of guy.
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    Well if we are toting our favorite presidents now, then I'm going with Abraham Lincoln. Racist turned Emancipator. The man who both struck off and ended the bloodiest war in American history. And of course, his wife was the Dick Cheney of that era.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiddo View Post
    Well if we are toting our favorite presidents now, then I'm going with Abraham Lincoln. Racist turned Emancipator. The man who both struck off and ended the bloodiest war in American history. And of course, his wife was the Dick Cheney of that era.
    I explained my ambivalence toward Lincoln in a previous thread. Not one of my favorites, although, he was another fascinating character.
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    Domestically, Obama is the most oppositional to classical liberal views. So I think we have a better chance of getting a libertarian president next time around if he's elected since he'll ruin every part of the economy that he possibly can.

    McCain isn't very fiscally conservative so it will be easy for Democrats to blame the GOP for everything that goes wrong in his term, even though things won't be as bad as they would with Obama. A republican like McCain would ensure that a DFL candidate is elected next time and there's no way someone like Ron Paul would run with that party.

    But I don't know if the certain Obama disaster is worth the possibility of a better future president.
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    Quote Originally Posted by booyalab View Post
    Domestically, Obama is the most oppositional to classical liberal views. So I think we have a better chance of getting a libertarian president next time around if he's elected since he'll ruin every part of the economy that he possibly can.

    McCain isn't very fiscally conservative so it will be easy for Democrats to blame the GOP for everything that goes wrong in his term, even though things won't be as bad as they would with Obama. A republican like McCain would ensure that a DFL candidate is elected next time and there's no way someone like Ron Paul would run with that party.

    But I don't know if the certain Obama disaster is worth the possibility of a better future president.


    Why all the speculation? I hate it when people say, "Oh this dude is going to screw everything up," before they are even nominated. What hard evidence do you have to support such a claim?

    If we are speaking economically, then some socialistic policies work out and others don't just as some capitalistic policies work out and others don't. I think Obama has a strong and well balanced mixture of the two. I agree that I would like less government overall, but neither McCain nor Obama advocate that approach.

    All of the above is better than what we have had the last eight years.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Everything I have ever read or heard secondhand from people involved in politics = there is a mutual disdain that goes back to 2000...
    Yup, McCain hated Bush... especially after North Carolina that year. Bush performed some very high-profile public "swerves" from his position to the far right to win over Bob Jones U (of course, he swung far back to the middle after he got their votes), and the mudslinging was particularly brutal. Bush meanwhile pretended he didn't know any of it, and I was expecting McCain to take a few swings at him when they finally ran into each other. It was awful.
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