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    The "it saved lives because we didn't have to invade" line is a cynical (and propagantastic) rationalization for the monstrosities that we committed at Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    The "it saved lives because we didn't have to invade" line is a cynical rationalization for the monstrosities that we committed at Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
    Not really.

    What you call "cynical rationalization" can just as well, and, in fact, more accurately, just be called "reason".

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    I think if the situation was in reverse, we would have suffered just as greatly, maybe worse. who knows..
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    I think it was the correct decision.
    First, because the Japanese people are from a culture that values honor a lot. They still have samurai blood in their veins. They wouldn't surrender easily, and a land invasion would probably cost many more lives (for both sides).
    Second, because the main priority States should have in a war is the safety of their nationals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Not really.

    What you call "cynical rationalization" can just as well, and, in fact, more accurately, just be called "reason".
    No, at best it was a reason - not a particularly good one, IMO - and at worst a lie employed for propaganda purposes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    The "it saved lives because we didn't have to invade" line is a cynical (and propagantastic) rationalization for the monstrosities that we committed at Nagasaki and Hiroshima.
    Do you think it is more horrific to die in a nuclear blast than it is to die from shrapnel and fire?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    Do you think it is more horrific to die in a nuclear blast than it is to die from shrapnel and fire?
    Again, that's rationalization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    Again, that's rationalization.
    Right. Sounds like know how to end a World War without violence. Too bad you weren't running the place in the 1940s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Edgar View Post
    Right. Sounds like know how to end a World War without violence. Too bad you weren't running the place in the 1940s.
    Excellent point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    No, at best it was a reason - not a particularly good one, IMO - and at worst a lie employed for propaganda purposes.
    Every estimate I've seen, not just from government sources, places the death toll far higher without the bombing.

    The main issue with the bombs is A) the vast majority of the victims were civilians and, if you rectify that issue, B) the morality of dropping the second bomb on Nagasaki and whether that was strictly necessary.

    I'm basically with the people saying fewer deaths = better outcome.
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