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    Quote Originally Posted by Duck_of_Death View Post
    I'm on my period.

    And FUCK skinny jean hipsters.
    Hmm, yeah, certainly something up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    That looks like a hell of an emotional abreaction to something going on right there. That is all.
    Seriously. He's quite the easiest person to get a rise out of on the site.
    Not that that was my aim, of course. Just a bonus.
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    Wanna come to Texas and find out?
    Um...no.

    Quote Originally Posted by tinker683 View Post
    I think you're reading way too much into the attraction video games have to men....
    What am "I" reading into it?
    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Don't make it bigger than it is...you can play videogames for 2 hours because today is snowing and you planned to do something outside (that you can't do), and you will anyhow never become (or wish to become) a professional hockey player - say if I choose to play NHL.
    I'm not making it bigger than a discussion of why I don't find it appealing, that was the question - asked and answered. You boys are getting your panties bunched up for no reason. You don't have to justify your choices to me.
    (Although I won't claim that isn't fun to watch.)
    Quote Originally Posted by AffirmitiveAnxiety View Post
    It's interesting here how much your opinion mirrors that of general society.
    I'm only contrarian when it suits me.

    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I'm not going to defend what I know about "real things". Have I given you an indication I'm some underground dwelling infantile? You do know that SPs all generally learn in a bottom-up, hands-on type of way, right? Although at my age, I'm not limited to it anymore. I like this about my older self. More things can be projected or simulated.

    Acquiring skills are their own reward btw. It's fun. I don't learn things to meet some overall goal or be a success somewhere. This goes for any form of "play" and skill learning. I've played music (mostly guitars) for over 20 years. In all that time, I probably only had a few fleeting moments of having some overarching "goal" about it.

    If you want to put away "childish things", to each their own. That's cool. This is where our real disagreement is though. You think I have to put away childish things too. Or rather, "guys" do. As if we're all automatically on some market, and you're entitled to tell us to make a behavioral adjustment. It's like being told I'm not good enough for a job that I never even applied for.

    I don't think you have to do anything. This is just a thread about recent trends and commentaries thereupon.

    I actually think that it's probably a good thing that guys who don't know how to relate to women are both taken off the market and kept entertained. That's kind of win-win, no?

    I mean, in other species, betas just have to suck it. At least ours have a joystick to play with.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    What am "I" reading into it?
    That men who play video games are somehow "less" of a man or not. It's just a hobby or diversion, no more or less. For some of us, it's just as entertaining as reading a book or watching a movie. In some cases, it's better than that.

    If there are men who use video games as an escape, the problem is with the individual men themselves...not video games, and this behavior trait isn't unique to men. I know a few women who exhibit the same "escapist" mindset but it's with books or horseback riding or alcohol. The only difference between videos games and the aforementioned activities is that the aforementioned activities have long been considered socially acceptable whereas video games are just gaining mainstream acceptance, particularly amongst my generation.

    Seeing as you've been carrying this discussion on for 43 some odd pages I have to ask: What's your stake in this?
    "The man who is swimming against the stream knows the strength of it."
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    Quote Originally Posted by tinker683 View Post
    That men who play video games are somehow "less" of a man or not.
    Did I say that?
    This thread was started to highlight research which suggests that the declining academic /social performance of boys and young men might be due to overuse of games and porn. It might be. Or there might be other reasons. Or there might not be a declining performance. Girls might just finally be achieving their true potential, they might naturally be superior students as well as more socially gifted. I'm not controlling the direction of the thread. Early on, the focus was on porn, now it has moved to games. With a brief diversion into pseudo-genetics.
    It's just a hobby or diversion, no more or less. For some of us, it's just as entertaining as reading a book or watching a movie. In some cases, it's better than that.

    If there are men who use video games as an escape, the problem is with the individual men themselves...not video games, and this behavior trait isn't unique to men. I know a few women who exhibit the same "escapist" mindset but it's with books or horseback riding or alcohol. The only difference between videos games and the aforementioned activities is that the aforementioned activities have long been considered socially acceptable whereas video games are just gaining mainstream acceptance, particularly amongst my generation.

    Seeing as you've been carrying this discussion on for 43 some odd pages I have to ask: What's your stake in this?
    I'm not talking to myself.
    If I were I'd be having a much more interesting conversation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    I'm not making it bigger than a discussion of why I don't find it appealing, that was the question - asked and answered. You boys are getting your panties bunched up for no reason. You don't have to justify your choices to me.
    You don't find appealing the extreme version you modeled in your mind for the special purpose of this debate, not the way most males play videogames, which is occasionally and as a form of casual enjoyment. Which, in turn, doesn't support the hypothesis of them being the cause of lack of academic performance in boys, hence the problem with the argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    I actually think that it's probably a good thing that guys who don't know how to relate to women are both taken off the market and kept entertained. That's kind of win-win, no?

    I mean, in other species, betas just have to suck it. At least ours have a joystick to play with.
    OK? If you need to make me into some cardboard cutout representative of male inepititude now, go for it. Ask me if I care. I'll be here though when you start valuing reality.

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    A man creates. A parasite says, 'What will the neighbors think?'
    A man invents. A parasite says, 'Watch out, or you might tread on the toes of God... '


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    Quote Originally Posted by tinker683 View Post
    That men who play video games are somehow "less" of a man or not. It's just a hobby or diversion, no more or less. For some of us, it's just as entertaining as reading a book or watching a movie. In some cases, it's better than that.

    If there are men who use video games as an escape, the problem is with the individual men themselves...not video games, and this behavior trait isn't unique to men. I know a few women who exhibit the same "escapist" mindset but it's with books or horseback riding or alcohol. The only difference between videos games and the aforementioned activities is that the aforementioned activities have long been considered socially acceptable whereas video games are just gaining mainstream acceptance, particularly amongst my generation.

    Seeing as you've been carrying this discussion on for 43 some odd pages I have to ask: What's your stake in this?
    Don't you get it?

    Video Gamer=Unemployed pock-marked loser who lives in his mother's basement.

    There is no grey!

    Shouldn't be either as everybody is granted the "great white ideal" package out of the womb.

    That is: Affluent, physically attractive, charming, outgoing, superfluous posh Caucasian.

    The unsuccessful are lazy fucks and manage to screw it up along the way.

    Do remember to read the memos next time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    OK? If you need to make me into some cardboard cutout representative of male inepititude now, go for it. Ask me if I care. I'll be here though when you start valuing reality.
    A gamer is asking me to start valuing reality? Sweet.
    Maybe I don't find video games appealing because of the cardboard cutout representations of both men and, in particular, women they present? Have you considered that?

    Probably not. Because critics of video game culture tend to get shouted down pretty unceremoniously. And it's not as if most of you are reflective enough to get there on your own. So here's a taste of reality for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    A gamer is asking me to start valuing reality? Sweet.
    Maybe I don't find video games appealing because of the cardboard cutout representations of both men and, in particular, women they present? Have you considered that?

    Probably not. Because critics of video game culture tend to get shouted down pretty unceremoniously. And it's not as if most of you are reflective enough to get there on your own. So here's a taste of reality for you.
    I remember reading about her. I'd never seen her Ted talk.

    The "largely anonymous unmoderated messageboard" responsible for the attack that she's referring to is 4chan. 4chan is a shithole of an internet forum that, yes, is mysogynist as fuck. I would argue that what happened with her is more of a product of the culture caused by internet anonymity than gaming. 4chan has a history of these "raids". They're rarely related to gaming... They're often against women, though. They do things like raid an epilepsy message board with flashing images, in the hopes that they can trigger seizures in the readers. On several occasions they have targeted underage girls on tumblr or youtube in an attempt to get them to commit suicide. They're responsible for DDOS attacks to take down websites, like the scientology site.

    The point I'm trying to make here is that you're blaming the 'raid' on this woman on gamers, when in reality it was the fault of a shitty community that happens to have some overlap with gaming. Interestingly enough, a lot of the money she raised after this happened? Was because her story went viral on Reddit - another large internet community with strong ties to gaming. It went viral there because they were outraged by what happened to her. The people responsible for harassing her didn't do it just because they were gamers. The people responsible for helping her didn't do it just because they were gamers. They did it because they were either shitbags to begin with, or decent people to begin with.

    I think the the implications of anonymity, and how people sometimes act behind that anonymous curtain is MUCH more relevant to what happened to her than video games. I'm not suggesting that videogames don't contribute to mysogynistic attitudes, but the big player in what happened to her? Are the implications of anonymity.

    Anonymity on the Internet: Why the Price May Be Too High - This paper talks about the impact of anonymity because of the removal of accountability and social justice.
    “Everybody has a secret world inside of them. All of the people of the world, I mean everybody. No matter how dull and boring they are on the outside, inside
    them they've all got unimaginable, magnificent, wonderful, stupid, amazing worlds. Not just one world. Hundreds of them. Thousands maybe.” -Neil Gaiman

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