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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnyboy View Post
    And, from personal experience, I can tell you that if I didn't have a way to release my sexual urges I would be much more likely to put up with a shitty girl just to get sex. As it stands now, I'm able to be more particular because I have adequate sexual outlets.
    And what does that make you, if not pretty "shitty" yourself? (And therefore only deserving of a "shitty" partner).
    Your attitude towards women is deplorable. I hope your "sexual outlets" wise up to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    No. You don't "express" chromosomes. There is no such thing as a "beneficial X chromosome" vs a "non-beneficial" one. Not only that, as has already been pointed out, something like 15% of genes in the "inactive X" actually get expressed. It's not as simple as "on or off".
    God. I regret relaunching this thread.
    What amazes me about you is your aggressive confidence in the face of your staggering ignorance.
    It's the very definition of arrogance. And it makes me unwilling to spend time educating you.
    When I say beneficial, I mean relatively so. What is so unclear about this? Also, to say people don't express chromosomes, and then go on to talk about expressing the genes within chromosomes (which is exactly what I meant) misses the point. I'm well aware of partial inactivation, and that some genes are still expressed even in chromosomes that are deactivated. I still say you're dismissing this without sufficient cause. For what reason I cannot say.

    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    No.
    Wouldn't it be preferable to do your research BEFORE responding? That way you are less likely to appear foolish. And it would give you something more to say than "I think I'm right".
    No, it wouldn't be preferable to me at all. Heaven forbid my ignorance about a certain subject comes to light; how ever will my image recover? Seriously, it's online conversation between laymen about interesting topics. To the extent that I'm wrong, new information presented by others will guide my intuition. You still haven't provided me with any information I wasn't aware of already, and you haven't presented a clear argument against my conjectures. You post links to articles without clear reasoning.



    You are so obsessed with discussing the reasons why men are in so many ways inferior to women, and yet you gloss over the implications of these differences. I'm not an unreasonable person, and if you were to provide me with clear evidence that contradicted the idea that "mutations of the genes contained in the X-chromosome, whether deleterious or beneficial, are expressed more completely in men than in women (unless they are found in both X1 and X2)" then I'd gladly revise or discard my hypothesis.

    Edit:

    Nevermind. I just found a work that discusses my hypothesis, shows that it is clearly possible, and not only that, but that there is not any evidence that it is unfeasible or indicative of my staggering ignorance. Either way, it makes me giggle.

    https://docs.google.com/viewer?url=h...F1195.full.pdf

    Consider reading it if you wish. Or not. Either way, I'm tickled pink.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    And what does that make you, if not pretty "shitty" yourself? (And therefore only deserving of a "shitty" partner).
    Your attitude towards women is deplorable. I hope your "sexual outlets" wise up to it.
    Sexual urges are powerful motivators, and I don't pretend to be above them. If I were unable to free myself from the burden of sexual lust (through masturbation), I would be more driven to meet women and connect with them just for the sex, which means focusing less on a genuine personal connection and more on physical appearance and a willingness to fuck. It might make me seem shitty, but it's the truth. That said, as it stands now, I am able to free myself of that burden, and I choose to cultivate more worthwhile connections with people.

    This might give you a better idea of who I am as a person:
    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...70#post1681170
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnyboy View Post
    Sexual urges are powerful motivators, and I don't pretend to be above them. If I were unable to free myself from the burden of sexual lust (through masturbation), I would be more driven to meet women and connect with them just for the sex, which means focusing less on a genuine personal connection and more on physical appearance and a willingness to fuck. It might make me seem shitty, but it's the truth. That said, as it stands now, I am able to free myself of that burden, and I choose to cultivate more worthwhile connections with people.
    And, now we get to the other half of the equation. In the past not only was there a lack of access of porn, but there were also social restraints which kept women from having meaningless sex with men. This led to men having a strong motivation to seeking both companionship and sexual gratification through marriage which in turn provided societal stability.
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    We're overthinking this a bit.

    How is video gaming and porn use detrimental to the human condition, primarily male?
    Are men raiding villages nowadays? Challenging other gunslingers to quick draws outside the town saloon?

    Raiding foreign nations, killing all of the indigenous men and seizing only the most beautiful of women?

    No. So as far as I'm concerned society is doing quite fantastic, thank you very much.
    Drop the hyperbole and hysteria--you're embarrassing yourself.

    And why are people dependent on pRon and their Xbox Live gaming?
    Because these things are readily available. It really is that simple.

    And not everybody is wired to be a social butterfly or caricature promoted by empty pop culture.

    If you can't accept that, too bad.
    Your problem and nobody else's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnyboy View Post
    This might give you a better idea of who I am as a person:
    http://www.typologycentral.com/forum...70#post1681170
    A silly boy? This much I knew already.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jonnyboy View Post
    if you were to provide me with clear evidence that contradicted the idea that "mutations of the genes contained in the X-chromosome, whether deleterious or beneficial, are expressed more completely in men than in women (unless they are found in both X1 and X2)" then I'd gladly revise or discard my hypothesis.
    You've already revised it a number of times in the course of this thread, such that it in no way resembles your original hypothesis. I'm sure you'll get it right eventually.
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    I really think you're heading up a blind alley, but that's your choice, of course.
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    Meanwhile, back in the land of on-topic, this is bizarre:

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/ed...s-8436087.html

    How exactly, are white working-class boys "disadvantaged" such that they deserve "positive discrimination"? Just because someone is a dumb fuck, doesn't mean they are being discriminated against. Clearly, they're not, since they can still manage to become a Tory "universities minister".

    The Universities minister David Willetts wants white, working-class teenage boys put in the same category as students from other disadvantaged communities and ethnic minorities – as groups that should be targeted for recruitment.

    The move has the potential to create conflict with Britain's independent schools if universities – as a result – use it to discriminate against middle-class applicants in order to curry favour with the university access watchdog, the Office for Fair Access.

    The watchdog "can look at a range of disadvantaged groups – social class and ethnicity, for instance – when it comes to access agreements, so I don't see why they couldn't look at white, working-class boys," Mr Willetts says in an interview with The Independent.

    He also warns, in an accompanying article: "There are now more women who enter university each year than there are men who submit a Ucas [university application] form."
    "warns"? WARNS?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    A silly boy? This much I knew already.

    You've already revised it a number of times in the course of this thread, such that it in no way resembles your original hypothesis. I'm sure you'll get it right eventually.
    Small things amuse small minds.
    I really think you're heading up a blind alley, but that's your choice, of course.

    Let these three quotes sink in. To the extent that men have a healthy X chromosome, the fact that they don't have another one in the mix to potentially offset the problems inherent in the first one is immaterial. In some sense, they don't hedge their bets. Couple this with the fact that the Y chromosome is evolving much faster than other genes (evolution often doesn't produce favorable results in the short term), and you have a recipe for a great degree of divergence in males. Some will be much "better" than their female counterparts, and some will be much "worse".
    It absolutely resembles my initial hypothesis. You might very well be right that nothing will come of it... to the extent that having things pan out is my sole objective, perhaps my time could be better spent elsewhere. As it stands, I've learned a bit, and found much of my intuition affirmed by what I've learned. More importantly, I enjoyed myself. As for your comment about my mind, well... I do have my limits. I try to do the best I can with what I have, and I try to be open so that when I do come across "big minds" I can learn from them. C'est la vie.

    P.S. - I would hope that small things would amuse big minds too... although, as they say: Ignorance is bliss.

    P.P.S. - The post script seems a bit superfluous given modern day word processing. Still, it amuses me to use it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Duck_of_Death View Post
    We're overthinking this a bit.

    How is video gaming and porn use detrimental to the human condition, primarily male?
    Are men raiding villages nowadays? Challenging other gunslingers to quick draws outside the town saloon?.
    I don't know how to contribute to this thread - because it's all over the place - but that's a good point. Men have always had an urge to "test their mettle" (be it competitively, in hunting, war, etc.. or like you said, being a gunslinger). Video games have to be the most innocent outlet for that. It's like a former pyro landing a job on a hollywood stunt team. He gets to unleash his urges in a fairly innocuous (and entertaining) way by rigging explosives for "make believe". This is happening to a lot of men now with games, who otherwise would carry out destructive urges by living in some warmongering/warrior culture or some shit. Maybe some people want to still bitch and get to the root of the problem, but for the time being, the typical gamer isn't hurting anyone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Duck_of_Death View Post
    We're overthinking this a bit.

    How is video gaming and porn use detrimental to the human condition, primarily male?
    Are men raiding villages nowadays? Challenging other gunslingers to quick draws outside the town saloon?

    Raiding foreign nations, killing all of the indigenous men and seizing only the most beautiful of women?

    No. So as far as I'm concerned society is doing quite fantastic, thank you very much.
    Drop the hyperbole and hysteria--you're embarrassing yourself.

    And why are people dependent on pRon and their Xbox Live gaming?
    Because these things are readily available. It really is that simple.

    And not everybody is wired to be a social butterfly or caricature promoted by empty pop culture.

    If you can't accept that, too bad.
    Your problem and nobody else's.
    I agree that relative to the maurading those things are minor and unconcerning but I dont agree that its a good state of affairs per se that you describe, it does have its individual and socially undesirable consequences too.

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