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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Agreed, any guy who retaliates deserves whatever comes to him.
    Yes, her comment was about retaliation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INA View Post
    How is this responsive to Orangey's comment?
    Do you refer to the comment about rationalization as opposed to guilt relating to knowingly accepting unfair gains? If not, I did not see the comment in question and it was apparently posted some pages ago.

    I believe it is germane to bring up examples of women gaining societal advantages, or indeed to acknowledge that the do as Zarathurstra has. To pretend that isn't the case would be roughly as silly as pretending men sometimes did not have undue or incongruous advantages, and pretending it isn't so is also a form of rationalization, a way to clean up a complex story into a scenario where one group is plainly the mustache-twirling villain and the other is more strictly victim.

    A realistic inventory of what advantages come inherently to each gender is necessary to assessing and attempt to rectify whatever imbalances there are in terms of gender (especially since some of these differences in attitude are so ingrained they aren't even going to go away in the most progressive of people). I do fundamentally agree that men likely receive more substantial advantages than women (and, additionally, that a lot of the advantages women might gain are contingent on not only gender, but also attractiveness), but I don't think ignoring that there are aspects of that on both sides seems like a reasonable way to approach the discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Circle View Post
    I finally blocked out some time to watch this. There's little of substance here, except that college-age guys are shy and watch porn. This is the sort of sensationalist, pseudo-intellectual patter that TED specializes in. It's like NPR. White people love it and can't get enough of considering weighty cultural matters.
    Good call. It's safely subversive material. You feel gratified and erudite by understanding a quirk of the system and power structure, while remaining secure in the legitimacy of those institutions. You can observe that something unusual is going on with members of American society, without having to question if there is something unusual about American society itself.

    Males may be dropping out at greater rates, but what are they attributing this to? You could point to similarly arbitrary data to point out that men reign supreme. I would look at the gender split of Nobel prizes being won, composition of Fortune 500 CEOs, composition of billionaires, composition of world leaders, etc. You would not have to look far.
    The issue here is of a person's defining status. Is there greater distinction amongst the elite by gender, or is it whatever made them elite in the first place?

    For example, the vast majority of Nobel Prize winners in all fields other than Peace have been Ashkenazi Jews. Does that make Ashkenazi Jews a privileged class? Do they reign supreme over these fields by simple merit of being Ashkenazi Jews?

    Before ready access to porn, guys masturbated to images in their heads of women, vaginas, and fucking. Probably more than fifty times a week.
    I don't think that even with ready access to porn, most men masturbate fifty times a week. That's seven times a day. Eventually, you grow uninterested, or the mechanics don't work for a time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    I don't think that even with ready access to porn, most men masturbate fifty times a week. That's seven times a day. Eventually, you grow uninterested, or the mechanics don't work for a time.
    Perhaps we could define a value for average number of "clips" viewed before completion of orgasm. If fifty clips of porn are viewed weekly, a Cassandra-esque gnashing of teeth if I've ever heard one, surely multiple clips are being viewed during one session of sexual arousal / completion. I will hazard that the average adolescent / post-adolescent male is masturbating once daily on average with or without porn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZPowers View Post
    I believe it is germane to bring up examples of women gaining societal advantages, or indeed to acknowledge that the do
    The issue is that it was nowhere disputed that each sex enjoys certain advantages. That was not in question, so it's useless to point out readily apparent observations as an answer unless the readily apparent observation is the answer (i.e., the reason for the rationalization), which makes sense but apparently did not sit well with the one who suggested it.
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    Has this video been shared yet?
    [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlFAd4YdQks"]Reaction To Women Abusing Men In Public[/YOUTUBE]

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tantive View Post
    Has this video been shared yet?
    [YOUTUBE="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlFAd4YdQks"]Reaction To Women Abusing Men In Public[/YOUTUBE]
    1. The abuse wasn't quite the same from the clips they showed. He was up in her face and choking her. She was largely feebly slapping his body and pushing his face.

    2. No guy would dare step in because if she turns on him and he defends himself, he's screwed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blank View Post
    Shit like that is depressing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
    That (especially the second post) was vomit inducing.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mia. View Post
    Shit like that is just wrong.
    or you know, perhaps uncomfortably close to honesty (vaguely appropriate invention of lying scene)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by INA View Post
    So women having a vagina is the reason for men's rationalization of wage discrimination that benefits men.
    That's not what I said.

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