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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Just as women have enjoyed and continue to enjoy privileges derived from merely possessing vagina.
    So women having a vagina is the reason for men's rationalization of wage discrimination that benefits men.
    brilliant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INA View Post
    So women having a vagina is the reason for men's rationalization of wage discrimination that benefits men.
    brilliant.
    Wage discrimination is no longer a serious problem. Proper statistical analysis shows this to be true regardless of Blank's sister's personal experience.

    Woman slaps man. Man retaliates and slaps woman back. Ten other men attack the man for retaliating. Who experienced privilege there? The guy who got his ass kicked?
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Wage discrimination is no longer a serious problem. Proper statistical analysis shows this to be true regardless of Blank's sister's personal experience.
    I don't suppose it would be a serious problem for a man.

    http://www.pay-equity.org/info-Q&A.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circle View Post
    I don't suppose it would be a serious problem for a man.

    http://www.pay-equity.org/info-Q&A.html
    Total bullshit. So now that women actually do get "equal pay for equal work" (controlling for experience, education, and time taken off for things like having kids), the complaint is that women are forced to work lower paying jobs? Well, why don't we just switch to a system where all salaries are mandated by the government? That's inevitable conclusion of your line of reasoning.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Total bullshit. So now that women actually do get "equal pay for equal work" (controlling for experience, education, and time taken off for things like having kids), the complaint is that women are forced to work lower paying jobs? Well, why don't we just switch to a system where all salaries are mandated by the government? That's inevitable conclusion of your line of reasoning.
    So, what you're saying is that gender plays no role in how men and women are compensated for the work they do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Circle View Post
    So, what you're saying is that gender plays no role in how men and women are compensated for the work they do?
    That's what I'm saying. Gender does, however, impact the decisions that individuals make. Women, as a group, work fewer hours by choice. Many women choose jobs like nursing, teaching, and clerical work because it's easier to get time off. And when you return, you're not playing catchup. You simply can't do that in many technical fields (such as engineering) due to how rapidly the industry changes. And if you're talking about corporate upper management jobs, there will probably always strong male presence there simply because the rich live by a different set of rules, but it's only a matter of time until women have achieved equality there, too.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by INA View Post
    So women having a vagina is the reason for men's rationalization of wage discrimination that benefits men.
    brilliant.
    Woman slaps man. Man retaliates and slaps woman back. Ten other men attack the man for retaliating. Who experienced privilege there? The guy who got his ass kicked?
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Woman slaps man. Man retaliates and slaps woman back. Ten other men attack the man for retaliating. Who experienced privilege there? The guy who got his ass kicked?
    How is this responsive to Orangey's comment?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    I finally blocked out some time to watch this. There's little of substance here, except that college-age guys are shy and watch porn. This is the sort of sensationalist, pseudo-intellectual patter that TED specializes in. It's like NPR. White people love it and can't get enough of considering weighty cultural matters.

    Males may be dropping out at greater rates, but what are they attributing this to? You could point to similarly arbitrary data to point out that men reign supreme. I would look at the gender split of Nobel prizes being won, composition of Fortune 500 CEOs, composition of billionaires, composition of world leaders, etc. You would not have to look far.

    Before ready access to porn, guys masturbated to images in their heads of women, vaginas, and fucking. Probably more than fifty times a week.

    Men are self-reporting as more shy? Okay, perhaps our culture has become more shy. Maybe more shy people are attending college. How are women self-reporting? There are so many issues with this.

    *EDIT* Not exactly relevant, but this discussion reminds me of the following quote from Camille Paglia:

    Serial or sex murder, like fetishism, is a perversion of male intelligence. It is a criminal abstraction, masculine in its deranged egoism and orderliness. It is the asocial equivalent of philosophy, mathematics and music. There is no female Mozart because there is no female Jack the Ripper.


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    Quote Originally Posted by INA View Post
    How is this responsive to Orangey's comment?
    Agreed, any guy who retaliates deserves whatever comes to him.

    Look at this idiot. He totally deserved to get pummeled.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OdQ...elated#t=9m45s
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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