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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    I wonder why you guys are so invested in rationalizing that story?
    You've already made your judgment. The facade is unnecessary.
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Udog View Post
    As it turns out, a guy doesn't really need to accomplish much to support himself. Video games and porn offers enough positive reinforcement to counter the negative reinforcement he'd otherwise have for not interacting with women or pushing himself. Why take the risks that guys generally take to succeed when there are such easy and rewarding alternatives? The fact that it creates a cycle further limiting his abilities and likelihood to succeed is almost an after-thought at this point, and has already been covered in this thread.
    that perspective is actually interesting because it shows the potential for a "threshold breaking' pattern within this aspect too:

    the more men become less interested/confident in interacting with women due to safer alternatives, the more dissatisfied women there are, the better the rewards are for the men who do take the risks - whether it is by playing the field and getting more women or by the statistical likelihood of finding a women that suits them better through picking from a bigger pool of women.

    so you might have 19 guys doing little beyond games and wanking, but then they see that guy number 20 can pick the best of 20 girls who don't have anyone else catching their interest simply because he goes the extra mile, making it more attractive for the other 19 guys to follow his lead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blank View Post
    Sorry for beating a dead horse, but I managed to stumble upon this image:



    Shit like that is depressing.
    1. That (especially the second post) was vomit inducing.

    2. Personally I do not care much about money or status but I do carea lot about the mind. That has an effect on the people (male or female) that I connect with. I have a hard time seeing myself in a relationship with somebody who doesn't share those interests. It's not about status, it's about commonalities, interests and habitus.

    3. A BA? Seriously? Get over yourself already, lady, that does not exactly make you a great intellectual. Geeesh!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blank View Post
    Sorry for beating a dead horse, but I managed to stumble upon this image:




    Shit like that is depressing.
    Shit like that is just wrong.

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    I'm so glad I've waited to marry.

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    Trying to analyze men from a purely gynocentric perspective, as these sorts of commentary generally do, will always leave a partial understanding, at best, of what is going on. Usually, it results in distorted conclusions that are self-serving in some way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by onemoretime View Post
    Trying to analyze men from a purely gynocentric perspective, as these sorts of commentary generally do, will always leave a partial understanding, at best, of what is going on. Usually, it results in distorted conclusions that are self-serving in some way.
    Aren't women entitled to take these shortcuts?
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Aren't women entitled to take these shortcuts?
    No more than men are entitled to make assumptions about women's experiences, desires, fears and motivations from an androcentric perspective.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    I wonder why you guys are so invested in rationalizing that story?
    Come now. Rationalization is far easier than acknowledging that men have enjoyed and continue to enjoy privileges derived from merely possessing penis. i.e.; it doesn't fit the victim narrative.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INA View Post
    Come now. Rationalization is far easier than acknowledging that men have enjoyed and continue to enjoy privileges derived from merely possessing penis. i.e.; it doesn't fit the victim narrative.
    Just as women have enjoyed and continue to enjoy privileges derived from merely possessing vagina.

    Which, also, (in)conveniently (depending on which side you're coming from), doesn't fit the victim narrative.

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