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    He offers a perspective worthy of mention. And although it is rather simplistic and crude it is not a bad thing for a guy to stop and listen to this and see how it reflects on himself and how he can use this in relation to where he wants to be in the future.

    That said, I'm one of those guys that can't be labeled as a guy under his generalisations, so maybe that is why this is easy for me to say. :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    His hypothesis is that gaming/porn don't help boys develop the social skills needed to interact effectively with girls/women. Also that they act as an (addictive) substitute such that there is less pressure to develop those skills /seek the rewards of genuine intimacy.

    I don't see how that can be disputed.
    I think what you are discussing is a symptom: It's easier to get gratification from gaming and porn than from women. But that doesn't make it the main or sole cause of the problem. There are likely other cultural changes at work, complicating relations between the sexes as well. The article that I linked suggested one such idea.

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    Besides, why can't men have porn, gaming, and women all at the same time? Why is it assumed that porn and gaming squeeze out and replace women in men's minds? Before the internet, men had porn (magazines), hookers, sports, and poker nights with the boys. And they still had wives/relationships too. So it's not a given that relationships are being somehow squeezed out by easy availability of internet porn and computer games.

    It might be better to look at what is changing about the nature of the relationships themselves, such as the idea mentioned in the article I linked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FineLine View Post
    It's easier to get gratification from gaming and porn than from women. But that doesn't make it the main or sole cause of the problem.
    No. Attitudes like the one you betray - that women are objects for the gratification of men, interchangeable and potentially replaceable by other gratification-producing objects - are the main cause of the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    No. Attitudes like the one you betray - that women are objects for the gratification of men, interchangeable and potentially replaceable by other gratification-producing objects - are the main cause of the problem.
    First off, don't personalize it. This is exactly why I don't argue these things on message boards. And second off, the video suggested that relationships were being squeezed out by porn and gaming; I ridiculed the idea.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FineLine View Post
    First off, don't personalize it. This is exactly why I don't argue these things on message boards. And second off, the video said that relationships were being squeezed out by porn and gaming; I ridiculed the idea.
    So don't argue. You can't have it both ways. Disclaimer or no disclaimer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    So don't argue. You can't have it both ways. Disclaimer or no disclaimer.
    No problem. I'm out of here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FineLine View Post
    Besides, why can't men have porn, gaming, and women all at the same time? Why is it assumed that porn and gaming squeeze out and replace women in men's minds?
    Umm.. because they do, by their own admission.
    Before the internet, men had porn (magazines), hookers, sports, and poker nights with the boys. And they still had wives/relationships too. So it's not a given that relationships are being somehow squeezed out by easy availability of internet porn and computer games.
    Independent women are less willing to play second fiddle to porn, hookers, sports and poker night with the boys? Maybe? I dunno. Just guessing here...

    It might be better to look at what is changing about the nature of the relationships themselves, such as the idea mentioned in the article I linked.
    The article is a bit of a mess. Full of non sequiturs, like this:

    Since most people agree that teenagers should abstain from sex anyway, isn't the trend Schalet notes a healthy one? Not necessarily. After all, if adults abstain from sex too, mankind is doomed:

    Just ask young women about men today. You will find them talking about prolonged adolescence and men who refuse to grow up. I've heard too many young women asking, "Where are the decent single men?"
    Hint: women aren't talking about men's lack of interest in sex.
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    Women outclassing men: ''lololololol demise of guys!!! ''
    Men outclassing women: ''omg misogynist society ''
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    Women outclassing men: ''lololololol demise of guys!!! ''
    Men outclassing women: ''omg misogynist society ''
    Define "outclassing" please
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