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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    Have any of you guys ever been a victim of female on male violence that did not involve child abuse via a parent or guardian?
    Yes.

    And, when it happened, not only did I feel like the legal system would not protect me equally (i.e., not give a shit that she was hitting me), but that it would almost undoubtedly side with her and against me no matter what the actual circumstances were (i.e., if I were to actually defend myself, even simply by restraining her, that I would be the one who would get in trouble). This is known as equality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmie Dearest View Post
    I will stand corrected if a significant number of you have been abused thusly, and were actually frightened of your abuser, or if you know men this has happened to. I know it happens, but its rare
    This is a commonly held, yet false societal perception.
    http://divorcesupport.about.com/od/a...male_abuse.htm
    A recent 32-nation study by the University of New Hampshire found female students initiate partner violence as often as male students and controlling behavior exists equally in perpetrators of both sexes.

    and that is why I find mens rights so absurd, though I do agree men should be able to be able to safely report and be protected from domestic violence.
    But mens rights on the other hand is anti-feminist
    That's like saying African American rights is anti-white. You're creating a false dichotomy here. Would it be correct to say that the women's rights movement is anti-male? Of course not. You constantly send mixed messages of saying you believe in equality, yet you shit on any chance for men to raise their concerns and you trivialize them in favor of women's concerns. That's not equality.

    Even though it appears to many of us that it is simply the equality of women (not any kind of advantage or superiority) that is actually scaring you.
    Feminism, by the virtue of its name, does not offer equal rights to everyone. It is not egalitarianism. Most people don't understand, nor do they have the ability to distinguish the nuances between one feminist's philosophy and another's at a glance especially when feminism has no universal definition when each group of feminists try to claim feminism as their own. Women who call themselves feminists should either purely advocate equal rights and drop the moniker of feminism in favor of egalitarianism, or they should admit that their primary purpose is to advocate female advancement and nothing else. At least this way, people wouldn't get confused and berated for not knowing the ins-and-outs of each wave of feminism.

    this thread reeks of that childish, primitive fear
    It would be peachy if most people holding Bachelors degrees were male, amirite?
    You seem to be the biggest advocate of childish, primitive fears here.


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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    So you're arguing that non meritocratic hiring practices actually spur growth?
    nope, i am arguing that in order to get closer to an actual meritocracy rather then one which hinges on our cognitive biases in assuming where the merit is, sometimes you need to go to non-meritocratic means.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    I have a name... and it is not mister white male.
    name or pet name - i can't get myself to call a grown man biscuit... disco stew it is. anyway, while i see how you you might be used to that being the case, i wasn't addressing your whiteness to discredit your point, just referencing it with word "you".

    while the fact i was generally not considered 'white' in europe/america still blows my mind away (really? mixed race with slight middle eastern skin hue and people could still tell?), i generally haven't experienced much discrimination based on my race as far as workplaces go, and we are both men, so even if i wanted to go the ad hominem way, discrediting you based on those criteria wouldn't go in my favor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mane View Post
    nope, i am arguing that in order to get closer to an actual meritocracy rather then one which hinges on our cognitive biases in assuming where the merit is, sometimes you need to go to non-meritocratic means.
    I still disagree on a very fundamental level.

    These cognitive biases have been smashed in the young by the circumstances they were educated in.

    My IB class looked like a model U.N.

    It's not the government's job to worry about our cognitive biases.

    I also disagree that meritocracy hinges on cognitive bias these days.

    While years ago the innate obstacles that needed to be hurdled by by minority students warranted kick starting the process with affirmative action things are different now.

    But to say that those policies created for a very different world than the one we live in today are still applicable ends up holding us back more than add to fairness or equality.

    It also creates a subtle line of dialogue in the heads of all it's beneficiaries, "Do I actually need this help to succeed? I'm I actually less capable than other students?".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zarathustra View Post
    Yes.

    And, when it happened, not only did I feel like the legal system would not protect me equally, but that it would almost undoubtedly side with her and against me no matter what the actual circumstances were.
    i know the feeling man. not only did i feel that way, but i felt that if i allowed myself to defend myself and hit back, it would be my end. here's a big man who has hit a petite woman, what court today is going to fucking care why he did it (even if its her hitting him)? if the circumstances don't make leaving realistic, you can't do shit but just stand there and take it. the worst part of those feelings is knowing they are rational.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    I also disagree that meritocracy hinges on cognitive bias these days.

    While years ago the innate obstacles that needed to be hurdled by by minority students warranted kick starting the process with affirmative action things are different now.
    that's exactly what i was saying in my (tl:dr?) post - after being knocked out from it's previous point, a given social status is going to rock back and forth until reaching a new point of equilibrium. this is just the natural course of social changes.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    It's not the government's job to worry about our cognitive biases.
    you won't see me disagreeing there, but my believe in the benefits of a small liberterian government isn't going to determine how i judge the particular actions of a government that isn't. i don't believe in monarchy ruling anything, but that doesn't mean i disagree with the sultan's ruling in favor of women being allowed to drive. maybe we're having some Te/Ti communication breakdown, but i don't see how one relates to the other.

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    Indeed.

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    So @Mane and @Zarathustra, Im sorry to hear that. Were you actually injured in the incidents or physically afraid of her? Im seriously asking.

    @Blank the only trolls here are gish and leger, but Im not going to dignify your current bullshit with a response.

    I am obviously not trolling, I mean senza got the gist of what I was saying.

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    Anyway, WTF does any of this shit you guys are talking about have to do with the video, which was about porno and video games (it is alleged) causing dudes to avoid interaction with the "real" world and relationships? This all started with whoever posted that stupid goddamn video of that woman blaming the problem on women and feminists. You're supposed to direct your ire at either porn/video games (apparently they're the same) or internet-will-be-the-downfall-of-mankind alarmists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    Anyway, WTF does any of this shit you guys are talking about have to do with the video, which was about porno and video games (it is alleged) causing dudes to avoid interaction with the "real" world and relationships? This all started with whoever posted that stupid goddamn video of that woman blaming the problem on women and feminists.
    Wow.

    You sound very concerned about the welfare of men.

    I wonder how you'd feel about a man saying the same shit to women.

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