User Tag List

12 Last

Results 1 to 10 of 11

  1. #1

    Default Suicide in the US army

    I was listening to a radio report this morning which was stating that there are more deaths by suicide in the US army now than at any time in recorded history, it was at one point as frequent as once a week and was not always personnel in combat zones or deployed to combat zones and the figures for death by suicide were beginning to exceed deaths in afghanistan.

    What do you think about this and what do you think is causing it? I mean from the sound of it Al Quida, other terror groups or enemy forces dont need to actively engage the US army because whatever is at work within the US army or western culture can kill people quicker or at least as quickly as they can.

  2. #2

    Default

    Oh wait, I actually underestimated the numbers, its actually one per day!

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-18371377

  3. #3
    Freaking Ratchet Rail Tracer's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2010
    Posts
    3,041

    Default



    There are a number of reasons, which I am not really the person to go to for this topic. If we are talking about the suicides from those who has rarely been deployed outside the U.S. in danger zones, or have never been deployed out of the U.S.
    I would hypothesize:
    1:recruitment
    2:workload
    3:"things" that happen while serving (hazing....etc.) What is even worse is that the military culture is still not ready for the "if you have a problem, let us know."

    Recruitment - From what I've been told, many military recruiters are payed by how many people sign up for the military. The more these young ones the recruiter can get by any means necessary = the more money they get. I heard stories where some recruiters WILL tell the person wanting to sign up... if they are slightly overweight or underweight to drink water/eat only a little before the exams. It means, we aren't really seeing if the recruits are prepared for military life. Even people I know that joined the Army said he was completely glad that he was officially done with the military.

    Workload - There ARE slackers. And the ones that do end up slacking, the other guys need to pick up for. Some people are forced to do double time, otherwise they'd be scolded. Again, my Army friend often complained about how he had people that were slacking so much on the job, everybody else that were doing their job... they had to do double (even the jobs that aren't assigned for the person.)

    Hazing, Culture - Many things go behind the scene. The recent one that I can think of is the bullying of Representative Judy Chu's Nephew that literally pushed him to suicide. You can also think of bullying in the form of Ideals. Muslim Americans these days are more like to be bullied for no apparent reason.
    If you are stationed in "certain" parts of the country there is still a divide between people. While the military culture states that the army should work as one, there are instances that people do not follow these orders.

    If I were to put any emphasis, it'll be 1 and 2.

  4. #4
    Senior Member captain curmudgeon's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2010
    MBTI
    BIRD
    Enneagram
    631 sp
    Posts
    3,263

    Default

    It's quite tragic, and I nearly teared up reading a particularly moving article about this in the magazine Newsweek perhaps a week or so ago. If I end up working for the VA as a social worker at any point I can't imagine that I would be able to escape dealing with this. Also I have family (both individuals with mental health issues) serving in the military. That being the case, the article really got me thinking and feeling much more than I expected.
    Jarlaxle: fact checking this thread makes me want to go all INFP on my wrists

    "I'm in competition with myself and I'm losing."
    -Roger Waters

    ReadingRainbows: OMG GUYS
    ReadingRainbows: GUESS WHAT EXISTS FOR ME
    hel: fairies?
    Captain Curmudgeon: existential angst?


    Johari Nohari

    https://www.librarything.com/profile/wheelchairdoug

  5. #5
    Senior Member swordpath's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2007
    MBTI
    ISTx
    Posts
    10,552

    Default

    A lot of people that go into the military come from troubled backgrounds. Some people gravitate to the military in hopes of escaping that. Unfortunately the baggage follows a lot of these individuals, and the compounded stress and environment of the military can adversely affect people pretty severely.

    I can say first hand that military life can be very lonely.

  6. #6
    Senior Member Habba's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2008
    MBTI
    ISTJ
    Enneagram
    1w9
    Posts
    998

    Default

    Just some statistics...

    The suicide rate of US as whole have been around is 11.8 suicides per 100,000. The number has been rather stable in the recent years, staying between 10.4 and 12.0 for the past 20 years.
    154 suicides in 155 days at US army would project 363 suicides this year, which is about 26 suicides per 100,000. So suicide rates at the US army are more than double compared to the nation as whole.

    For a comparison, Finland has 17.6, Japan 23.8 and Lithuania 34.1 suicides per 100.000
    "The present is theirs; the future, for which I have really worked, is mine."
    -Nikola Tesla

  7. #7
    Senior Member Chaotic Harmony's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2009
    MBTI
    ENFP
    Enneagram
    9w1 sx
    Posts
    1,436

    Default

    My husband works at the VA and one of our friends is a social worker there... Part of my husband's duties in the army is suicide prevention. He has a list of people he has to contact each week to check in with and see how they are doing.

    In his experience... One of the biggest reason for suicide was not being able to find a job. He's had to talk one of our good friends off a ledge so many times because he has had the worst luck in finding full time employment. Which caused him to spiral out of control into debt. A friend of mine told me that once a company learned he was in National Guard, they suddenly start back pedaling making excuses about why they can't hire him. The best guess is, it's the fear that they will be deployed and then they are left needing help again. The other reason was adjustment. He said that once you come home it's incredibly hard to adjust to life in the States again after being away for 12-18 months at a time.


  8. #8
    No moss growing on me Giggly's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2008
    MBTI
    iSFj
    Enneagram
    2 sx/so
    Posts
    9,666

    Default

    Wow, this makes me so sad, especially considering how much appreciation I have for them.

  9. #9
    Senior Member Munchies's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2010
    MBTI
    XNXP
    Enneagram
    OMG sx
    Socionics
    iuno
    Posts
    474

    Default

    this doesn't count the marines statistics right? Haha holy fuck they just yell for the sake of yelling, i'd bet the marine's suicide rate is higher
    1+1=3 OMFG

  10. #10
    Nips away your dignity Fluffywolf's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2009
    MBTI
    INTP
    Enneagram
    9 sp/sx
    Posts
    9,422

    Default

    Quote Originally Posted by swordpath View Post

    I can say first hand that military life can be very lonely.
    Probably the only upside for all INTP's in the army.
    ~Self-depricating Megalomaniacal Superwolf

Similar Threads

  1. Everyone in the US Knew There Might be a Housing Bubble
    By nomadic in forum Politics, History, and Current Events
    Replies: 46
    Last Post: 12-29-2009, 12:00 AM
  2. Foreign students in the US
    By Moiety in forum Academics and Careers
    Replies: 14
    Last Post: 10-12-2009, 09:57 PM
  3. Is ideology the bane of intellectual sophistication in the US?
    By coberst in forum Philosophy and Spirituality
    Replies: 11
    Last Post: 06-13-2009, 01:18 PM
  4. MBTIc votes in the US election
    By Economica in forum Politics, History, and Current Events
    Replies: 110
    Last Post: 10-31-2008, 08:38 PM
  5. Christianity's Fall from Grace (in the US)
    By mippus in forum Philosophy and Spirituality
    Replies: 20
    Last Post: 04-08-2008, 11:31 AM

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
Single Sign On provided by vBSSO