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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    this illustrates my point perfectly. the point of 21st century feminism seems to be an excuse to make comments like these. "pfft! men would never understand how we feel" it's designed to give a false sense of superiority. it probably didn't start out that way (1st and 2nd wave feminism were important and necessary) but it is now. your comment is dismissive and doesn't give any real insight into anything.
    i'm not trying to give any insight, i was reacting to the stupid shit on this page that's hurting my brain. and of course men will never fully understand what women feel and what we go through, some attempt at trying would be a nice change, though. instead, since men don't see any problems, they assume that there aren't any, and that any complaints from women are invalid. that's dismissive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chana View Post
    i'm not trying to give any insight, i was reacting to the stupid shit on this page that's hurting my brain. and of course men will never fully understand what women feel and what we go through, some attempt at trying would be a nice change, though. instead, since men don't see any problems, they assume that there aren't any, and that any complaints from women are invalid. that's dismissive.
    okay, enlighten me (but please stick to the United States, as I already agree that women in other countries face a host of problems I am not familiar with)
    Edit: I don't deny there are some problems women face in this country. what I argue are that there are few real ones and most are insignificant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chana View Post
    i'm not trying to give any insight, i was reacting to the stupid shit on this page that's hurting my brain. and of course men will never fully understand what women feel and what we go through, some attempt at trying would be a nice change, though. instead, since men don't see any problems, they assume that there aren't any, and that any complaints from women are invalid. that's dismissive.
    It's you who's being dismissive when you disregard all male input on the topic of feminism as inadequate (which I completely disagree with).

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Outsider View Post
    It's you who's being dismissive when you disregard all male input on the topic of feminism as inadequate (which I completely disagree with).
    ;_; but what about the men?!

    To make it clear, I'm not really that interested in having women's issues mansplained to me; male input on feminism is something that should be limited to listening and learning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by raine_lynn View Post
    ;_; but what about the men?!

    To make it clear, I'm not really that interested in having women's issues mansplained to me; male input on feminism is something that should be limited to listening and learning.
    A person's gender has little to do with their knowledge (or ignorance) on a topic and their potential to contribute to it.
    Your stance here indicates your own ignorance about feminism and the contributions that men have made to a number of philosophical issues pertaining to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by raine_lynn View Post
    ;_; but what about the men?!
    To make it clear, I'm not really that interested in having women's issues mansplained to me; male input on feminism is something that should be limited to listening and learning.
    that's sounds an awful lot like "women should know their place when a man is around", only the reverse. lots of feminist have this tendency to preach about how women and men are virtually the same but then turn around and say "men will never understand! they should keep their mouth shut!". then when someone calls them out on this incongruency they are labeled as childish, ignorant or misogynistic.
    if you ask me, all it is is an excuse to avoid a real conversation
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    lots of feminist have this tendency to preach about ...
    which feminists have you read/studied/listen to?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    okay, enlighten me (but please stick to the United States, as I already agree that women in other countries face a host of problems I am not familiar with)
    Edit: I don't deny there are some problems women face in this country. what I argue are that there are few real ones and most are insignificant.
    i have no interest in arguing this with you, i've seen enough of your opinions on women on this forum before to know it's a waste of effort. all i ask is that you try to consider that the women that you know personally aren't representative of all women in the country. because i can tell from so many of your posts you come from a somewhat liberal, upper-middle class background and that's not the reality of most people.

    Quote Originally Posted by The Outsider View Post
    It's you who's being dismissive when you disregard all male input on the topic of feminism as inadequate (which I completely disagree with).
    i didn't mean to imply that i didn't think men had anything useful to contribute about feminism. i was speaking more specifically about posts #51-57 in this thread (which is all i had the stomach to read.)

    actually i should have specified that i meant BOYS, not men.

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    I bet feminists are just jealous they can't easily piss their name in the snow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The Outsider View Post
    A person's gender has little to do with their knowledge (or ignorance) on a topic and their potential to contribute to it.
    Your stance here indicates your own ignorance about feminism and the contributions that men have made to a number of philosophical issues pertaining to it.
    Okay, this is a fair point and I concede that men have made valuable contributions, historically, to the feminist movement.

    However, this doesn't give men the right to dismiss complaints by women on women's issues, which seems to be a major problem in this thread.
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