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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfa View Post
    First of all, I don't know much of feminism of it's history, but I was curious of what you people would say.

    Thinking of a "feminist" way of dressing, a woman should wear pants, because she thinks showing too much skin would please men, and she doesn't want to take part in a machist world pleasing some random men on the street.

    Or she could wear a mini-skirt, because she has the right to show the amount of skin she wants, without asking permission or whatever. Besides, she could get some attention or favours from men.

    It does happen that some men spend lots of money with women who do an "easy" task as taking clothes off - one could interpret that men get stupid and powerless (and poor) in front a pretty woman who shows some skin. Or that woman could be humiliating herself just to get some money.

    I'm saying "pants" and "mini-skirt" just as examples of clothes that show or not much skin, but other ways of dressing could fit here.

    I've seen women fighting for both causes, for "pants" and for "mini-skirts", and both claiming to be feminist. What do you think?
    why are they fighting in the first place? there is no law and little if any social stigma discouraging from wearing either. they're stupid to fight over it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elfboy View Post
    why are they fighting in the first place? there is no law and little if any social stigma discouraging from wearing either. they're stupid to fight over it
    You're taking the OP too literally.
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    We could say the option to even choose between the two is the most feminist.

    But pants would surely be the second wave feminist answer. Personally Im more of one of those third wave sex positive feminists, so I don't think mini skirts are incongruous with feminism. But I can see where making women feel like they SHOULD wear mini skirts is anti feminist.

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    Mini skirts WITH pants. Is there any conceivably bigger FU possible?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    You're taking the OP too literally.
    even so, my general opinion remains the same for most issues feminists argue about
    - expressing femininity vs breaking with gender roles
    - being a stay at home mom vs being a working mother
    - sex before marriage vs waiting
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    I feel like lots of feminists are doing nothing more than trying to assign new gender roles to women and fighting over what those should be,
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    Quote Originally Posted by fia View Post
    Mini skirts WITH pants. Is there any conceivably bigger FU possible?
    why feel the compelled to wear such a fashion disaster to say FU? I'd rather say FU by looking really sexy and sophisticated, because everyone expects me to be "down to earth", "relatable" etc.
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    I've always been a girly girl and I don't see it as being incompatible with feminism. My mom's brand of feminism on the other hand is most definitely second wave and she tried to bring me up according to those ideals. I think it often frustrated her to see me gravitating towards more feminine choices in style and manner.

    We talked all that through though and settled on a Marm-like position in the end.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    A typical self called feminist will protest against prostitution. A prostitute will call herself a feminist because she does whatever she wants with her body.

    The word has lost its meaning. It could basically mean anything. Ergo, I can't answer.
    wrong. Feminism has not lost its meaning just because its not specific enough for you. What you apparently fail to understand is that feminism is about each woman owning herself, and being free to be a mother, a prostitute, or a business woman, as long as she is empowered in making those decisions for her own self and not because she's been coerced either physically or socially to play a certain role, as if she is a child or a pawn in men's games.

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    Feminism is the discovery of the power relation between women and men.

    To reduce this power relation to pants or skirts is to trivialise it.

    And trivialisation is the weapon of the sexist enemy.

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