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    Since 2009. The difference between the Public Sector and the Private Sector.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    The guy who wrote that letter is right, but many Americans will reject it because it sounds "Marxist". Blame Cold War propaganda. Once the Boomers die, the generation that has a fear reaction to any term or phrase that is related to socialism, communism, or Marxism will be gone.
    There are a lot of people socialists and non-socialists who would define that letter as socialist or socialistic you know.

    Personally I think its, at the very most, keynesian or simply a piece of economic realism, as opposed to libertarian ideology, the tug of war that is refered to, class struggles, does eschew and warp capitalism. Whether or not you think capitalism is worth anything or can serve any purpose other than as a vehicle for class struggle that is a fact.

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    The title of the thread reminds me of this: http://www.amazon.com/Dear-America-K.../dp/0688028985
    I found it in a used bookstore back int he '80s, and I didn't know who he was, but it seemed like a good critique of the country and its politics. I liked how he mentioned the irony of accusing the Communists of "dialectical materialism" right as we were becoming more materialistic than ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ilikeitlikethat View Post
    I like the ethics, and American History.
    What you love is the way it is suppose to work. Unfortunately, that is not what really goes on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric B View Post
    The title of the thread reminds me of this: http://www.amazon.com/Dear-America-K.../dp/0688028985
    I found it in a used bookstore back int he '80s, and I didn't know who he was, but it seemed like a good critique of the country and its politics. I liked how he mentioned the irony of accusing the Communists of "dialectical materialism" right as we were becoming more materialistic than ever.
    The Wiki on Karl Hess says that he was a market anarchist, I dont know how that is left libertarian or new left, there's a deep revisionism going on in the history and outcome of the last breath of the political left in the sixties which has effectively neutralised it and redirected any remaining grievance or energy into ideologies which will support the personal agenda of the rich in defending their wealth or legacies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    The Wiki on Karl Hess says that he was a market anarchist, I dont know how that is left libertarian or new left, there's a deep revisionism going on in the history and outcome of the last breath of the political left in the sixties which has effectively neutralised it and redirected any remaining grievance or energy into ideologies which will support the personal agenda of the rich in defending their wealth or legacies.
    It says he is an Anarchist, but it also claims that he has worked-with/associated-with Left-Libertarians. There is some similarities between libertarians and Anarchists, but not too much.

    Also, the Old-Left and New-Left (in terms of the U.S..... Not sure what the the two means to the U.K.) is roaring (quietly) louder than ever.

    Anyhow, @Eric B

    I may very well look into that book because my college library has it. I was thinking the title would remind people more about the "Letters Home From Vietnam" than anything else. I guess that assumption was off.

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    As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rail Tracer View Post
    It says he is an Anarchist, but it also claims that he has worked-with/associated-with Left-Libertarians. There is some similarities between libertarians and Anarchists, but not too much.

    Also, the Old-Left and New-Left (in terms of the U.S..... Not sure what the the two means to the U.K.) is roaring (quietly) louder than ever.

    Anyhow, @Eric B

    I may very well look into that book because my college library has it. I was thinking the title would remind people more about the "Letters Home From Vietnam" than anything else. I guess that assumption was off.
    I got a good review of his book online which had a sizeable chunk quoted from it and it looks like the old chestnutt of the right wing fishing for support in left wing pools, he describes who "right wing" means control, law and order, while the "left wing" means empowerment, decentralisation etc. therefore libertarianism is "left" while conservatism, liberalism, everything else pretty much is "right".

    There's some rhetoric about corporations etc. but its like a lot of libertarian rhetoric, it looks like window dressing to the central plank which is cutting taxes for the richest and keeping their drug abusing or drunk driving offspring out of jail, even if that's a cynical reading of it that is objectively what it amounts to.

    Like I've said before many times I dont see how the focus on welfarism and cuts will yield anything other than more of the same, its been tried, the jury isnt out any longer but the right wing has nothing new or original to offer, its lucky for them the left wing is so reprehensible, alienating and involved with pretty niche interests.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rail Tracer View Post


    As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words.
    Sometimes the left produces good cartoonists but isnt that a cartoon from the nineties or around about then? I remember seeing something similar from Z Net or those quarters like that.

    The other cartoonist who usually is paired off with the college talks by that marxist guy is pretty good too, although to be honest there's a gulf created by alienation so people are not going to pay attention when it appears or resembles or is easily associated with something alienating, no matter how reasonable it appears.

    So far as creativity and symbolism and PR goes the right has the left beat a dozen ways and directions. There's lots and lots in the way of clever social critic t-shirts and merchandise which are right wing and I'd not be that embarrassed to own or display but very little in the way of left wing alternatives or comparable material. Perhaps that's an upshot of the right being less embarrassed about exploiting available avenues to market, produce and distribute their messages, also the right wont get accused of being co-opted for big bucks the way most left initatives will.

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    Seems the talk about Inequality is finally hitting the net far and wide.

    Young Americans get the shaft
    Carville: What if the rich lost 40% of their wealth?
    THE MOST IMPORTANT STORY IN AMERICA: Family Net Worth Collapses 40% In 3 Years
    Americans saw wealth plummet 40 percent from 2007 to 2010, Federal Reserve says

    40% lost of income from the middle class from 2007-2012, yet at the same time those top earners actually gained money.

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