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    Quote Originally Posted by Vizconde View Post
    To tax is to destroy.

    I think people should only be taxed on what they agree to be taxed when they are an adult. Thus after you turn 18 you can get such and such benefits from the government but you will be taxed accordingly. So lets say you want a government that goes to wars, school your children, fights wars on drugs, build a lot of prisons, pay your medical, pay your school, pay for your old age pension then you pay x%.

    If on the other hand you don't want government paying for anything for yourself or your pet projects and willing to pay reasonable for tolls to drive the interstate and not expect the fire department or police to come when you call 911 etc. then you essentially pay 0%

    There would also be moderate middle grounds.

    Corporations however since they are not natural citizens would be required to pay a reasonable amount of tax in accordance to the relative burden they place on society. Thus a corporate/limited liability non profit homeless shelter or church would pay little tax but corporation that makes nuclear waste, smog, and wear and tear on the roads would pay a lot more.

    People would essentially vote with their taxes/lack of taxes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Wait, did you just discuss how a deliberately non-egalitarian or anti-egalitarian policy results in the soviet union in which egalitarianism was the deliberate policy? What are you smoking or is this just another capitalist logic fail?

    Inegalitarianism or absolutely eschewing equity results in feudalism. Simple as. Most capitalists are fine with it provided that its privately controlled with the state interfering to spoil their fun.
    Quote Originally Posted by pv255 View Post
    No, He is saying the USSR was constitutionally a socialist state, but in practice the political elite lived in luxury while the rest of the people were generally poor. It was never a policy that the political elite live in luxury, just a practice. They lied to the people.
    Yes, that's what I was getting at.

    The gist of what I was saying in that particular post is that the world is complicated. Knowing whether or not a country claims to have egalitarian values doesn't really give you enough information to know what conditions are like or how things will work out in the long run. There are too many other factors.
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    This is just an idea I had. I am not saying I want this, even.

    What if we make an income maximum? That is, make the cap x times the current poverty level.

    I'm not sure what a good value for x is, but let's set x=1000 for illustration.

    The current poverty level is an income level of about $10K/yr for a single person household now, I believe. So for this year, $10M/yr (of individual income in all forms) would be the maximum earning. Every penny beyond that would be taxed. Capital gains would only be taxed upon sales of securities (as it is now). 401K, and IRAs, would only be taxed when money goes in (ROTH IRAs and 401Ks) or out (Traditional IRAs and 401Ks) (same types of rules as now).

    I was also thinking you can elect to have the money for such sales come in over many years. But then, I got a glimpse into why the tax code is so complicated. Just trying to be "fair" makes situations and provisions and to counteract loop holes in provisions which means we have to make provisions to counter act loop holes in those, etc, etc. So screw it, a simple relative cap on income (relative to poverty level). If you are smart enough to make $10M/yr of investments or running a company, you should be smart enough to know when to collect the money regarding taxes.

    I was also thinking about possibly allowing for tax exemptions by donating the money above $10M/yr to charity. But this could easily lead to influence pedaling, and buying political favors, etc.

    I do think that government is wasteful, but I have come to believe large corporations, and spoiled rich people are even more so. (JP Morgan anyone?)

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    Voted for the highest one, because it totally depends on many other factors. So any of these is an option (and that is the highest, per your question). "They're all open for debate," is what I'm saying.
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    [youtube=EthXVAQ8tFo]MEN IN BLACK 3 - Interview Will Smith - JT France 2 - 12.05.2012[/youtube]

    On this interview a 8.40, Will Smith is asked by the interviewer if he would be ready to be taxed at 75% of his income as it is proned by our new socialist president. His reaction speaks for itself. Not many guy would be ready to take risk and become rich if there's that sanction to be taxed at 75%. Taxes are high in France, with suplementary taxes on the rich. That's why there's no equivalent of Will Smith in France, nor there's is in Sweden. tax is discouragement and destruction of creation, risk-taking and talent. If that kind of tax rate have bee applied in America, there would never had been any Will Smith.
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    The maximum tax rate should be whatever is necessary for maintaining a functioning economy as well as benefiting the greater good of society. Whether that rate is 5%, 20%, 90%, different rates depending on income, inheritance, or consumer goods, is irrelevant insofar that it benefits society to a substantial degree. Those who should decide the precise amount should be in my opinion, a select group of expert economists who know exactly how to adjust certain taxes and when to ensure the best possible outcome for generating further wealth in the nation.

    But to hold that there must be one absolute percentage of which to tax people is presumptuous; no one should be taxed to such a degree where it would severely impact their lives and well being, rather they should be taxed carefully so as not to damage their own economic position. So no taxing the shit out of poor people or the middle class, no taxing wealth people almost everything they own (although I am in favor of taxing them more; progressive taxes).

    Having very little to absolute no taxes at all is foolish.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SD45T-2 View Post
    Yes, that's what I was getting at.

    The gist of what I was saying in that particular post is that the world is complicated. Knowing whether or not a country claims to have egalitarian values doesn't really give you enough information to know what conditions are like or how things will work out in the long run. There are too many other factors.
    Thing is, a 1970s upper-middle class house in the US was far nicer than anything you'd find outside of officials' dachas in the USSR. However, the poorest Soviets could be guaranteed housing far superior to that found in the average American inner-city ghetto of that period, out in Appalachia, or in any of the poorer towns and cities in the country. That's the difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    [youtube=EthXVAQ8tFo]MEN IN BLACK 3 - Interview Will Smith - JT France 2 - 12.05.2012[/youtube]

    On this interview a 8.40, Will Smith is asked by the interviewer if he would be ready to be taxed at 75% of his income as it is proned by our new socialist president. His reaction speaks for itself. Not many guy would be ready to take risk and become rich if there's that sanction to be taxed at 75%. Taxes are high in France, with suplementary taxes on the rich. That's why there's no equivalent of Will Smith in France, nor there's is in Sweden. tax is discouragement and destruction of creation, risk-taking and talent. If that kind of tax rate have bee applied in America, there would never had been any Will Smith.
    I think most people think top actors/actresses, sports stars, and ceos are dramatically overpaid anyway. Lots of people persue acting careers/the arts in general IN SPITE of the fact that it is not very lucrative for them individually.

    @Savage Idealist: do you think that those economists could be bought off? It seems to me that economists not working in academia tend to intellectually rationalize the economic system that exists because they work in that field and also because they have spent an entire career populaizing the economic policy of the last 35 years or so, so they are too entrenched in their positions and alienated from the consequences of them to be able to relate to those that have to live w them on a day to day basis.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    But to hold that there must be one absolute percentage of which to tax people is presumptuous; no one should be taxed to such a degree where it would severely impact their lives and well being, rather they should be taxed carefully so as not to damage their own economic position. So no taxing the shit out of poor people or the middle class, no taxing wealth people almost everything they own (although I am in favor of taxing them more; progressive taxes).

    Having very little to absolute no taxes at all is foolish.
    A relatively small minority of people believe that taxation is theft. I (along with many others) believe that taxation itself is not wrong, but that it can be taken to the point that it becomes theft. As for exactly where that point is, that's debatable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UniqueMixture View Post
    I think most people think top actors/actresses, sports stars, and ceos are dramatically overpaid anyway. Lots of people persue acting careers/the arts in general IN SPITE of the fact that it is not very lucrative for them individually.
    Theses people take the risk to be poor, but the rule is that there's a possibility to be rich and see the risk rewarded. Overall, taxes discourage people to take risk to make money and create wealth. Therefore people make less money and create less wealth. Therefore the country become more poor. It's logic.
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