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    Quote Originally Posted by Aquarelle View Post
    Lololol! You were the one who brought up slavery! I only commented to refute your point....
    I edited my post. I meant "showing taxed people".


    This doesn't really apply... unless you have stats that say more French people suffer from depression than in other, lower-taxed countries. I work very closely with colleagues in France, sending American students to study there, and my French colleagues are always astonished at how many American students report suffering from depression. I don't have stats, but I would be very surprised if the depression rate in France was more than in the US.
    When you truly want to calculate the level of taxing, you must also take in account the national debt. And then the level of taxing is significantly higher in USA than in Scandinavia. So there may be many depression as well. And there's no clues than being taxed even more would make theses american that you are talking about more happy.


    The difference is that French doctors are more likely to prescribe medications for ANY condition than American doctors. (I took a student to the doctor who had a common cold when I was working in France, and she came away with 3 prescriptions! A US doctor will basically prescribe rest and liquids for a cold.)
    Yes, but it's related to the other problem. The french welfare system encourage irrsesponsability, so that people buy more antidepressant, and the cost of the reimbursement increases the problems of indebtedness, so that people are more despressed so that they take more antidepressant, etc. It's a vicious circle promoted by socialism.
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    If everything was reformed so that no one got out of paying their taxes and taxes were used properly to go back into helping the people.. so speaking in idealistic terms here..

    If the government were using the money in both the local areas of the people paying, as well as the government as a whole, for schools, health care for everyone, retirement solutions, etc.. I'd say 40-50% is fair.. Being on the lower end from tax breaks such as good health, community involvement in protecting the environment, etc.. otherwise 50%.

    If the government is not taking care of everything and letting everything go to the private sector, I'd say no more than 20%, with half of that going towards the local area the tax payer lives in.
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    41-50% during peacetime is my upper limit (not my preference).

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    I still believe this "nordic country with socialism" thingy is partially a myth. Give me a Denmark with 60 million people, zero natural resources, immigrants coming from every side since the Mediterranean sea is effectively on every side of yours (Yeah I'm referring to Italy)- and then, perhaps, I'll start to believe. Germany is the only "large" country whose culture can be considered as somewhat similar to the "nordic" countries, and they definitely cannot sustain their level of welfare. Why? Simple, less resources, more people to care about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    I still believe this "nordic country with socialism" thingy is partially a myth. Give me a Denmark with 60 million people, zero natural resources, immigrants coming from every side since the Mediterranean sea is effectively on every side of yours (Yeah I'm referring to Italy)- and then, perhaps, I'll start to believe. Germany is the only "large" country whose culture can be considered as somewhat similar to the "nordic" countries, and they definitely cannot sustain their level of welfare. Why? Simple, less resources, more people to care about.
    Its funny that its always welfare that's unsustainable never inequality or privilege.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SD45T-2 View Post
    Very true. Most people also don't understand that raising/lowering tax rates is not synonymous with raising/lowering revenue. My fellow Californians are especially guilty of this.

    I think the real question (in a broader sense, not this thread specifically) should be what arrangement produces the most revenue in the long run.
    What if your goal is not to maximize revenue, but to create a more egalitarian society?
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    Quote Originally Posted by UniqueMixture View Post
    What if your goal is not to maximize revenue, but to create a more egalitarian society?
    Then you are cutting off your nose to spite your face, and many leftists are fine with that because their goal is to be egalitarian regardless of the long-term consequences. I do not share their values.
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    Federal income tax has very little to do with maximizing government revenue. Debt is the creation of money, and taxes are the destruction of money. Why on earth would you want to do that?... To incentivize value creation and to control prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SD45T-2 View Post
    Then you are cutting off your nose to spite your face, and many leftists are fine with that because their goal is to be egalitarian regardless of the long-term consequences. I do not share their values.
    What are the long term consequences of non-egalitarianism?
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    Quote Originally Posted by UniqueMixture View Post
    What are the long term consequences of non-egalitarianism?
    That's a broad category, so the results can very wildly. The short answer would be inequality, but that doesn't really tell you anything about the overall quality of life in country X, or if things are fiscally sustainable. And there can be places with ostensibly egalitarian goals that have a large population living under horrible conditions while the political elite live in luxury. That's what the Soviet Union was like.
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