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    What's your opinion of these? Do you worry about people choosing to voluntarily segregate themselves? Is in effect "Balkanisation" or "Rwandisation"? Or is it a response to the natural occurence of those things?

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    I think that usually happens first generation and maybe 2nd generation. Usually by 3rd or fourth there is integration (as long as paths to integration are open). I'm in favor generally because it allows for cool mixes to occur. It'd be cool if someone randomly teleported the earth's population to equally distribute it in terms of all demographic factors.

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    I read intentional as international
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    Quote Originally Posted by UniqueMixture View Post
    I think that usually happens first generation and maybe 2nd generation. Usually by 3rd or fourth there is integration (as long as paths to integration are open). I'm in favor generally because it allows for cool mixes to occur. It'd be cool if someone randomly teleported the earth's population to equally distribute it in terms of all demographic factors.
    I looked up demographic and have a general idea of your philosophy but would it be ok to elaborate a little so I can have some idea of the concept you are describing. I think the idea certainly has potential but I am not sure it would work right now? It's quite a hard philosophy to get my head around. Moving the poorest people from Africa into areas where there is rainfall, water, crops etc etc sounds a very good idea I know that wasn't what you were saying but it's certainly worth a look into land space vs population in each country that has access to fresh water. U.S.A, RUSSIA, CANADA being a few that might be candidates. Sorry I went off at a tangent, you have given me two ideas to ponder. Britain is quite a populated country per square mile but that is mainly England which is heavily integrated and it works well. There is a lot of space in Wales and Scotland though. I know it's a bit off the subject but the world is going to face a food crisis in the next thirty years unless we start to act now. It is related to us exporting food from countries which taps into their water supply and eventually it's going to hit crisis point. It was years ago I had the discussion but that's the general idea.

    It's ok I have the general concept now I just had to look at my own country lol thank you that's a very interesting idea and leads to several others.

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    I think it depends on the type of intentional community and the premise on which it is formed. Some are kind of cult-like and creepy; others are based on a shared interest ( for example, the Shaws Road Gaeltacht in Belfast) or lifestyle (communal living, socialism, sustainability, etc) and can be positive things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by godscollie View Post
    I looked up demographic and have a general idea of your philosophy but would it be ok to elaborate a little so I can have some idea of the concept you are describing. I think the idea certainly has potential but I am not sure it would work right now? It's quite a hard philosophy to get my head around. Moving the poorest people from Africa into areas where there is rainfall, water, crops etc etc sounds a very good idea I know that wasn't what you were saying but it's certainly worth a look into land space vs population in each country that has access to fresh water. U.S.A, RUSSIA, CANADA being a few that might be candidates. Sorry I went off at a tangent, you have given me two ideas to ponder. Britain is quite a populated country per square mile but that is mainly England which is heavily integrated and it works well. There is a lot of space in Wales and Scotland though. I know it's a bit off the subject but the world is going to face a food crisis in the next thirty years unless we start to act now. It is related to us exporting food from countries which taps into their water supply and eventually it's going to hit crisis point. It was years ago I had the discussion but that's the general idea.

    It's ok I have the general concept now I just had to look at my own country lol thank you that's a very interesting idea and leads to several others.
    Actually, that was what I was suggesting. So many of our problems come from people being isolated in or from different experiences in life. Unfortunately large amounts of rapid change are usually quite stressful for most people. It's hard to do this kind of thing ethically godscollie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by UniqueMixture View Post
    Actually, that was what I was suggesting. So many of our problems come from people being isolated in or from different experiences in life. Unfortunately large amounts of rapid change are usually quite stressful for most people. It's hard to do this kind of thing ethically godscollie.
    Really? Can you clarify what you mean about being "isolated in or from different experiences in life"?

    I think that the converse is true, too much change and adaptation and too many different experiences are available or imagined to be available, it has created a climate in which it is almost impossible to happy or content or restive even. There is an unprecidented anxiety about missed opportunities, unpursued potentialities, craving for novelties in this age which is like no other.

    It sounds like to me like you believe that it is a problem people dont "just go with it" or even go further to positively embrace it and seek to celebrate it.

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    No, that wasn't what I was talking about at all. I think people misunderstand the mentality of others because they haven't experienced it themselves. They don't -feel- what the other person feels. Instead as a way of protecting their identity or sense of self-esteem or to continue being abusive or indifferent to the suffering of others without feeling bad about themselves they shut down emotionally and blame the other person/group or act violently toward them or make fun of them. The main point being that they -refuse- to identify with this person as a human being or to see -any- similarities between "them" and "I" because if I had been in those circumstances/in that time/in that place I would have done what was right/what was true/the smart thing/the ethical thing/worked harder/had a better attitude etc etc. IT ALSO QUESTIONS THEIR BASIC FEELINGS ABOUT WHAT FEELS GOOD AND WHAT DOES NOT, WHAT IS RIGHT AND WHAT IS WRONG. Lastly, it REASSOCIATES how they FEEL when they go about the daily activity of their life. Especially that related to basic survival and mating activities.

    Even more sad for both the individual and humanity when they shut down altogether because they "are not allowed" to feel.

    This is how the rich often create the problems of the poor and then blame them for those problems with a straight face. This is also how the poor with hatred in their hearts refuse to identify with the rich and change/grow/learn from them to improve their own lives/mentality. It is excruciating to identify with painful experiences and recognize the role you played in them. It is also the only way to grow as a person and become a human being and maaaybe one day a being of light : D

    @Lark: sorry, just doing a mention because obviously I heavily edited/added to it.
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