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    Default How it is like to live in capitalism ?

    I have been here for quite some time now and I have always wanted to ask you something. (especially since this is a USA hosted forum). But I never did directly.



    So, how is it like to live in capitalism ?

    I know that the term is pretty broad but I think that everybody here knows the basic definition of the term. After all I am not posting this because I want a rigid academic debate.



    And to expand the simple question. How did this system effected your upbringing and childhood ? Do you think that you could have grown into totally different person in the case you didnt grow up in this system and its values. (even if you keep your family or friends in the mix)


    How does living in capitalism effects your ability to cope and handle people ... did it forced you to make a number of changes about yourself ? Or you naturally fit in as you are?




    As logic suggests - I never lived in capitalism .... so I am simply curious.

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    How have you never lived in capitalism? Its pretty much a universal economic paradigm or norm globally.

    Did you post this before? Its some how familiar, so is your avatar and username.

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    I enjoy living in a capitalist country, it gives me freedom which I so enjoy

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    I guess I have an unrealistic expectation to be able to buy exactly what I am thinking of, and get slightly exasperated when it doesn't exist. On the flip side, I disdain commercials and often avoid buying things and doing things that are pushed on me from the media and peers. I also take pleasure in subverting the system by repurposing and adapting products and buying things that are useful, but obsolete.

    I did grow up in a capitalist society, but I was in a subculture that was in a lot of ways isolationist. When I joined the mainstream, I had a big chip on my shoulder for people who follow the herd, which is something that corporations want to cultivate. Mostly I'm over it, but I'm not really part of the herd.

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    It's enjoyable when you're doing good and frustrating when you're not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Giggly View Post
    It's enjoyable when you're doing good and frustrating when you're not.
    This.

    Capitalism produces winners and losers; it feels pretty good to be a winner, and pretty terrible to be a loser.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    How have you never lived in capitalism? Its pretty much a universal economic paradigm or norm globally.

    Did you post this before? Its some how familiar, so is your avatar and username.


    Well I am a member that was basically inactive for a year.



    How it is possible that I have never lived in capitalism ?

    That is a tricky one , basically I did on the paper but in reality this is not capitalism.



    First of all unlike almost all members here I am born in Communism, since I am from Croatia (eastern Europe)


    After that I have lived in one system for which I am not sure how to classify. Since a war zone is trully a story for itself.


    The currency collapsed 2 times in just a few years due to the extreme inflation. For example when I was 7 I was already a millionare since the money was useless which was mainly because of the war for independance. In the war our economy was destroyed .... and by destroyed I mean destroyed in the quite litteral sense. Over a million people from 4.5 million that were living in a country were turned to refugees while many where killed directly or in the concentration camps. Plus since the war in the neighbouring country was even more brutal the country accepted some of the refugees from there was well.


    The war finally ended in 1995 but the country was in chaos and peace talks continued into late 90s. For years we were basically licking wounds and everything in the new country was owned by the state. (since it owned everything in Communism)



    And with the year 2000 the capitalist experiment starts. (turning towards the capitalist style economy)



    However, now 12 years later it can be said that the experiment did not work.



    Electricity is 100% state owned and you can't choose a supplier.
    Water supply distrubution network is state owned
    90% of education system is state owned
    90% of healthcare system is state owned
    The biggest insurance company is state owned
    A single person owns atleast 25% of all profits that is not made by state.
    State Influence on fuel industry (oil and gas) is big
    State is giving subventions to agriculture, shipbuilding industry , private private corporations/businesses ....... even sport clubs.


    The public transportation was totally free for many social groups untll a few years ago.
    80% of the political figures are socialists, ex communists or their parents were Communists. While the most of the other 20% are nacionalitic right wingers that have foundation in collectivisim. (read: fascist alike groups)
    In some regions unemployment goes as high as 70%.


    Etc.....



    Plus yasterday on TV was a poll "Would you rather live in capitalism or socialism" ..... and socialism won the poll with 93%. Probably a little bit exagerated but generally still pretty much the truth.



    So I would dare to say that I am not living in capitalism despite the fact that we are in 21. century.



    Somewhere I have even come across the info that this is the most socialistic country in the world out of those who claim to be capitalistic multi-party democracy.

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    I don't have anything to compare it to. Which economic system is in use where you are?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dala View Post
    I don't have anything to compare it to. Which economic system is in use where you are?

    See post above yours.


    But I am not sure what that system is and what is a proper name to call it.

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    I dont believe that state control of assets makes a country uncapitalist, basically the first principles of all economies are the same and those first principles are capitalist.

    All economies are mixed, with state and private ownership, some with more and some with less and some in which the state ownership is unacknowledged and free market celebrated as synomynous with the economy.

    And every economy has class struggles, although most countries pretend it only exists were workers or industrial organising or strikes take place, the market is unable to moderate, mitigate or balance these struggles in such a way that everyone benefits but the myths continue that markets can and will.

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