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    Well since this in on another sub forum now I can change rethotic a little bit.


    Quote Originally Posted by dala View Post
    This is more of a social issue than an economic one. In more Westernized countries, individual achievement and personal merit in school is extremely important. As such, taking credit for another person's work is far less tolerated I personally find it important because if you can't do the work, then you don't have the skills you'll need later. An engineering student who doesn't understand physics creates bridges that collapse.

    Back on economic systems, I think mixed economies are the most effective approach. Public goods like road infrastructure, emergency services, and parks can be handled most effectively when socialized, industries like banking and communications work best when carefully regulated, and the goods and services that have low barriers to entry and limited impact on public safely (most businesses) work best under something close to pure capitalism with basic minimum standards tacked on.
    I know , this is one of the reasons why I claim that this is not really a capitalism.


    For example ordinary people spend something 50%-80% of their income just on basic food. There is no much space left for some "big personal growth".

    Plus the gas prices are too high: 7.60 $ for a gallon. while the average income is between 500 and 1000 $ a month. (real experts may get 1500$)
    And retirements are somewhere in 200-300 $ a month zone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FDG View Post
    Well, Italy is vastly corrupt, aswell - and many public services are still fully state-owned. However, when I speak with an american I cannot notice really strong divergences between our thinking patterns in terms of how the economic system of our countries works, on a baseline level.
    This is why I have phrased myself as I did. From all of the western countries Italy is probably the most similar to Croatia. (especially since coastal third of the counry was part of Itally for centuries)


    So in Italy people would not protest because the goverment has decided not to give apartment for free ? (just curious)

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    I hear gas in Venezuala is 18 cents a gallon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    I hear gas in Venezuala is 18 cents a gallon.

    That makes two of us.

    However if the gas prices here are not balanced soon the whole society is coming to a serious risk of a collapse/bankruptsy ... or something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    That makes two of us.

    However if the gas prices here are not balanced soon the whole society is coming to a serious risk of a collapse/bankruptsy ... or something like that.
    I think it is overhyped. I thought i recall hearing that gas was five dollars a gallon in the UK in the 70s.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antisocial one View Post
    So in Italy people would not protest because the goverment has decided not to give apartment for free ? (just curious)
    MM, I'm not sure about what you mean exactly. In most cities there are still government owned apartments with purposefully lower rents. If they were to be sold and consequently if the rents were to become market-competitive, there would surely be protests.
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    Quote Originally Posted by highlander View Post
    I thought i recall hearing that gas was five dollars a gallon in the UK in the 70s.
    Ok, but what was the average income ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Great One View Post
    I enjoy living in a capitalist country, it gives me freedom which I so enjoy
    Quote Originally Posted by Qlip View Post
    I guess I have an unrealistic expectation to be able to buy exactly what I am thinking of, and get slightly exasperated when it doesn't exist. On the flip side, I disdain commercials and often avoid buying things and doing things that are pushed on me from the media and peers. I also take pleasure in subverting the system by repurposing and adapting products and buying things that are useful, but obsolete.

    I did grow up in a capitalist society, but I was in a subculture that was in a lot of ways isolationist. When I joined the mainstream, I had a big chip on my shoulder for people who follow the herd, which is something that corporations want to cultivate. Mostly I'm over it, but I'm not really part of the herd.
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    It's enjoyable when you're doing good and frustrating when you're not.
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    Capitalism is good, because it fosters independence and competition. Corporatism, what we have too much of in the U.S. specifically, is very bad. Corporatism leads to propaganda (like major corps drive out smaller businesses which may actually have better products, and you're inundated with commercials and billboards trumpeting the virtues of a particular name brand) and actually squashes the independence and competition of true capitalism.

    It's pretty outrageous, because the idea behind capitalism is to be free and fair, but when corporatism takes over, it's like...a form of fascist communism that is dominated by a few major businesses rather than the government.
    I agree with all of these points. I like capitalism for the freedom and number of choices of products there are on the market. Yet sometimes the number of products is just excessive and overwhelming. Just go to the supermarket and go down the cereal aisle for example, and you'll see a huge row of different cereals of different brands and you wonder why we need so many?

    I don't like some of the more competitive aspects of capitalism, like how you might be doing good at the expense of others. I also don't like all of the economic inequality. Maybe I'm a socialist by heart because I'd like to see social programs in place that ensure financial security for the poor. (There, I said the "S" word, which seems to be a stigma in the U.S.A.) There are people in our society that are working hard and are honest people but just can't catch a break and they have every right to comfortable living with healthy food and enough of it and basic health care and some are not getting their needs met. Yes, there are people who are poor because they are lazy but certainly not all of the poor.
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    This thread will be continued in a few days when I will again have the time to type alot.

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    Living in the United States, one lives a completely sheltered life due to the strength of our form of capitalism. We don't see the hundreds of thousands we oppress directly and indirectly to obtain cheaply produced goods. Our current form of capitalism, or corporatism as some would argue is completely focused on the short term so that the people running the wealthiest businesses can cash out and make enough money only for their friends and families to thrive. There is little regard for the social well-being of others and it's often encouraged to ignore the plight of other individuals since, loosely speaking: 1. It's always their fault for being in the position they are in. 2. Even if we wanted, it's not as though we could help every person in trouble. 3. Why should we give up our own possessions for someone who hasn't worked to obtain what we have?

    The way I see it, there really isn't much difference between capitalism and pseudo-communism. There are monopolies on oil, gas, electricty, water, oligopolies on pretty much everything else. With communism, there's a more concentrated mass of wealth and power in the upper echelon with little to no trickle of wealth downwards. With capitalism, it's much the same, only with greater class mobility that is slightly less determined by one's heredity.

    I guess it all boils down to this: the corruption in a capitalistic society is much more closeted than in a communist society, but it's still there all the same.
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