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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
    Oh, so you are against medical insurance in general.
    Not when they are privates.

    And against the state (i.e. society) providing a level playingfield. That's okay. But it's a political opinion, not a "fact". So now we are discussing ideologies, not the nature of transsexuality, quite a different topic.
    Precisely, we must necessarly discusss ideology with theses kinds of topic because the pro-transgender politic is a form of socialism. And there's many logical reasons which prove that socialism is bullshit. It's not "just an opinion".

    By the way, the State =/= the society. Society can be just the amount of freely done interactions between peoples. The State is jsut a mafia who is put on this.
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    Please feel free to start a new thread about that. It would be too broad a topic for this one
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
    Please feel free to start a new thread about that. It would be too broad a topic for this one
    Oh, the question of the topic would stay the same, I think: "sould we used socialist means to promote the interest of the transgender lobby or should we preserve the integrity of idividuals rights?".

    I'm not sure I can call myself a paleo-libertarian yet, but I'm convinced more and more that a moderate level of social conservatism is necessary to preserve a society of true freedom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    It's not really that I'am upset. I've some friends who are transvestites so I suppose that transgenders are OK. What is irritating is all that militantism to impose their difference and personal choice to other people, also, the hypocrisy of the militants and the diabolisation of every people who would disagree with that.
    How is this imposing their choice on someone else?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elaur View Post
    How is this imposing their choice on someone else?
    -By imposing people to pay tax in order to pay psychoterapy and plastic surgery to transgender
    -By forcing private compagnies owners to hire them and claim they are "discriminated" if they don't

    That's the two main reasons, I think.
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    I don't see anything in this article about paying for medical things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Elaur View Post
    I don't see anything in this article about paying for medical things.
    Maybe not in the article, but in the thread, yes.
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    Yay!

    Although, now that this thread exists, I'm awaiting the snarky dismissals of He Who Must Not Be Mentioned... :/


    (BTW, is the "transgender lobby" affiliated with the "gay agenda"?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    Yay!

    Although, now that this thread exists, I'm awaiting the snarky dismissals of He Who Must Not Be Mentioned... :/


    (BTW, is the "transgender lobby" affiliated with the "gay agenda"?)
    There's something called LGBT which try to associate theses two things together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elaur View Post
    I don't see anything in this article about paying for medical things.
    The only thing I can think of is that I mentioned off-hand that there have been various shifts in government stances as of late, including the IRS allowing approved surgery to be written off as a tax deduction on one's annual Federal income tax... although you still have to break the 7.5% salary minimum before ANY costs can be applied as tax writeoffs, and I think next year that number is bouncing up to 10%. (Potentially you could dump a lot of money into your FSA -- flexible spending account, before-taxes money taken from your paycheck to pay for approvaed medical expenses, and thus avoid the 7.5% penalty.)

    But really, I don't know what all the hubbabaloo is about either. Rich corporate white guys get their Viagra covered by health insurance, for goodness' sake, and this is actually far more serious than that, yet the feds don't cover it in their health insurance programs yet. (An increasing number of Fortune 500 companies do, however.)

    Quote Originally Posted by Viridian View Post
    (BTW, is the "transgender lobby" affiliated with the "gay agenda"?)
    Yeah, the transgender lobby. Right.

    Right now there's only one true national level "lobby" and it consists of a handful of people trying to make sure their expenses are covered annually so they can stay in Washington DC. Most of it is small groups across the US dealing with their local and state laws.

    The gay lobby is bigger, i think, as you would expect. There's a reason GLAAD (which I don't really consider a trans-rights group, even if they're lumped in) handled the Miss Universe thing, I guess. There aren't enough resources for trans lobbies to spend on that when they're trying to do things for the average person like make it easier to get and keep housing and jobs; preserve/enable marriage rights; legal gender changes and state IDs.
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