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    This is sad, I knew Mark Abaire. Like Lateralus said, this is typical of Naples PD. I was in Collier County jail for 5 months behind a DUI, and there were a lot of guys in there for stupid stuff. The warm weather in Naples brings vagrants and bums down from the cold north, and the wealth of the residents there in Naples means there are a lot of cops are they are HARSH! Now, let me say Naples is a great place for a vacation, please come down (Better yet, bring your money to Miami, where I live.) but if you do come down BEHAVE!!! If you get out of line, you will most likely get caught. I was guilty, I'm not going to say they were wrong in putting me in jail, but I met ALOT of people there in jail that should not have been.

    That being said, Abaire was kind of a bum. He was not a bad guy, and I doubt anyone was ever hurt by him, but he was kind of a good for nothing bum. He had been doing stupid stuff like this for years. He has a LONG arrest record, but it was all petty stuff. I guess this is a felony because the county is getting tired of it. I really wish they would not put him in prison. I wish they would help him. I don't know if he has mental problems preventing him from holding down a job. He did seem a little simple, but capable of functioning. I don't remember what his crime was when I knew him in 2010, but it was nothing serious, like my DUI was serious.

    Any comments from Naples PD or Collier Sheriff officers would be interesting. I don't mean an official statement, I just mean a cop that might happen to see this post.
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    I live in central Florida (though not in Collier), and my third-cousin-or-whatever was a retard and tried to steal some gummi worms from Walmart. She was a minor, so I expect worse could have happened, but she was obligated to pay a $375 dollars (or something of the sort). And this was for a three dollar bag of candy.

    Taking that into consideration, the fact that he was an adult, and that he had a history of committing petty 'crimes,' it doesn't really surprise me.

    But jail? Honestly, I just don't understand why anyone would want to waste their time caring about putting a guy who's just a minor inconvenience in prison for five years. I think there should be a better alternative rather than prison, and one that obviously doesn't involve him paying the state back in money, since he can't seem to afford it.

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    I think some sort of rehabilitation sounds like the most effective option, too, since this has apparently been an on-going thing.

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    This is petty selfishness.

    They are simply annoyed with the man and his actions. It has more to do with how they feel about him than it has to do with the minor consequences of what he's been doing.

    They may as well kick puppies for barking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    This is petty selfishness.

    They are simply annoyed with the man and his actions. It has more to do with how they feel about him than it has to do with the minor consequences of what he's been doing.
    That's certainly the vibe they give off. And jail won't solve the problem, either, which is what reinforces the idea that they just wanna sweep him under the rug. =/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
    Ehmm, doesn't this mean that McDonald's called the cops for this in the first place? And that they have to press charges for anything to happen to the guy?
    State or federal charges can be pressed. People don't really get off the hook just by the 'victim' not pressing charges, especially on felonies.

    Like if someone attempts murder, there will probably be charges whether the victim wants them or not because the state can go ahead and press charges in lieu of them.

    Edit: and the state some times presses charges on relatively small things, like fist fights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sprinkles View Post
    State or federal charges can be pressed. People don't really get off the hook just by the 'victim' not pressing charges, especially on felonies.

    Like if someone attempts murder, there will probably be charges whether the victim wants them or not because the state can go ahead and press charges in lieu of them.

    Edit: and the state some times presses charges on relatively small things, like fist fights.
    I understand that. But unless a cop happened to be present when they caught the guy (refreshig his donut supply or whatever) somebody must have at least called the police in the first place, right? Did they call the police just to escort the man from the restaurant and the police went: Oh, now we have to charge you too even though McDonald's has no interest in it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Herring View Post
    I understand that. But unless a cop happened to be present when they caught the guy (refreshig his donut supply or whatever) somebody must have at least called the police in the first place, right? Did they call the police just to escort the man from the restaurant and the police went: Oh, now we have to charge you too even though McDonald's has no interest in it?
    Probably not. That can happen, yes, but I doubt it in this case.

    Police typically just go out and get people and read them their rights and hold them until a prosecutor decides what to do with them. I'm betting the cops themselves probably didn't care and were even annoyed that they had to come out for that.

    Edit: or basically what often happens is that they hold people while waiting for charges to come down. It usually isn't decided right then and there, they just decide whether to detain you or not. Whether you're actually 'in trouble' is found out later.

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    Wow, Les Miserables flashback.
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    Here's a wonderful idea; fuck imprisonment, fuck the law.

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    The guy went in and asked for a cup for water and then filled it with soft drink and sat down. That would annoy me, here I am giving you a free cup and you steal my soft drink. Don't have much of an opinion on his problems, sounds exaggerated.

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