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    This seems to have been a serious issue for transgender people so I think this was sorely needed.

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    I have seen you post about this a lot, speed, but I don't think I've seen a reason you are so upset about it. I'm interested, what bothers you so much? Do you get angry at hermaphrodites (intersexed)?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    http://news.yahoo.com/federal-agency...063817599.html

    This is kind of a big deal, as EEOC ruling (employment protection) to transgendered people under the ruling of Title VII in the United States. Until now, there has been no uniform guidance on what is considered discrimination towards transgendered people in the professional workplace, unless the state or local ordinances had provided it.

    Because of that, it's very typical for transgendered people to not be hired and/or to be let go for not conforming to gender standards. (For transsexuals, this means that even those who still fit within the normal gender spectrum of their identified gender could still be discriminated against just because of a gender they formerly presented as.)

    http://www.wweek.com/portland/blog-2...t_transge.html

    It should be noted that this is more a solidification of a position the courts have been increasingly taking over the last twenty years, rather than something being newly introduced. [Just 2-3 years ago, the IRS also declared that surgery expenses for reassignment, as long as indicated by the casework, was deductible as a medical expense. And the Federal Gov already protects against gender identity discrimination internally.] It just has never been officially clarified by the EEOC before. So transgenders who were discriminated against / were fired simply for being trans vs their professional abilities and behavior had little recourse under Title VII of the 1964 Civil Rights Act to sue for damages or reinstatement of their position. Now that option exists, just as it would for anyone being dismissed for alleged sexism. The court is asserting that gender should have no bearing whatsoever on someone's hiring or dismissal.



    The most thorough/informative article right now I've seen on it and its interlocking with ENDA, exploration of past precedent that has led to this decision, etc., can be found at Metro Weekly:
    http://www.metroweekly.com/news/?ak=7288



    Article about Mia & Trish Macy:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patches View Post
    I find it a little shocking that this has not been addressed until now. Has there never been any type of legislation put forth about this before?
    Yeah I thought this was bizarre. I know very little about law, but I am not sure why places are not prohibited from blanket discrimination in the first place. I don't see why you'd have to specify.



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    Scientific study and personal awareness have borne out the truth that most prejudices are emotional in nature. This neither validates or invalidates the opinion, but shines a different light on one's perspective.

    As for the op, I wonder if this will affect how companies are allowed to enforce their dress code. A unisex uniform policy may start to become more commonplace as a result to avoid "uncomfortable" situations, yes/no? That's my theory of the day.
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    Would you guys please stay on topic?



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    Quote Originally Posted by iwakar View Post
    As for the op, I wonder if this will affect how companies are allowed to enforce their dress code. A unisex uniform policy may start to become more commonplace as a result to avoid "uncomfortable" situations, yes/no? That's my theory of the day.
    Hooray! Uniforms!
    The military already does this, of course.

    I don't think there's much issue in regards to transsexuals, who tend to fit into either bucket and who the law mostly seems to help. Transgendered (which includes all categories including gender variants) can range into the gender-queer realm, which is probably the most unsettling for people. And you're right, who knows what the long-term impact on company dress code could be?

    The fed gov right now seems to have casual fare, depending on where you work. The facility where I work is pretty lax.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jennifer View Post
    Hooray! Uniforms!
    The military already does this, of course.

    I don't think there's much issue in regards to transsexuals, who tend to fit into either bucket and who the law mostly seems to help. Transgendered (which includes all categories including gender variants) can range into the gender-queer realm, which is probably the most unsettling for people. And you're right, who knows what the long-term impact on company dress code could be?

    The fed gov right now seems to have casual fare, depending on where you work. The facility where I work is pretty lax.
    Ironically yeah, my new govt job is way more lax on dresscode than my old company was. My old job had very specific dress code rules for men and different ones for women, which was often a source of complaint for the men. I don't see how gender specific dress codes can be enforced in the future. I knew a guy that insisted on wearing a kilt (he wasn't Scottish, but eh) and another that insisted on nailpolish and they were suspended at school and their jobs sent them home. I really foresee gender neutral restrictions in the future to avoid "gray areas" such as this.
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    Derail moved to own thread.

    Most of it could have been graveyarded, but I'm feeling generous tonight. Now behave!
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