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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemountaintree View Post
    In a nonprofit economy Resources are not owned by the citizens only the origins of the resources are owned by the citizens instead of government or the profit based organization.

    I actually did not mention the concept properly in the original post. So i have edited the entire post. I suggest you to please read it again.
    I'm not sure what owned by citizens, if it isnt personal property, would work like in practice, would it be corporate or syndic ownership? When applied those things can be practically similar.

    There are some sorts of land monopoly or government trust ownership in land which I do favour, georgism or geo-libertarianism by all appearences do recommend themselves, the way in which Alaskan oil dividends are paid to all citizens seems like a good idea, on the other hand I dont know what they will do when those resources are exhausted and some people have grown dependent on those dividends to survive.

    I am a socialist rather than a libertarian but the monopolisation of land and rents by the government does not trouble me, especially if it meant that the state could cover its expenses without raising taxes on personal income or sales and the social dividends could be used by anyone who wanted to create or combine with friends to create enterprises or services.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluemountaintree View Post
    in the nonprofit economy there is no obligation of getting a job to earn the money. People can take up any job that they like. The jobs that people do not want to take up can be automated.
    If it was that simple, why don't we just automate every job? Do the same with technological innovation. Then we could all live happily ever after.

    The system is unworkable. It would result in a nation of slackers who will quickly lose their resources to external competitors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Not_Me View Post
    If it was that simple, why don't we just automate every job? Do the same with technological innovation. Then we could all live happily ever after.

    The system is unworkable. It would result in a nation of slackers who will quickly lose their resources to external competitors.
    I think the ascendency of consumerism in values over production or work ethics is what causes the nation of slackers to be honest, although its a good point, without that changing anything which enables freedom from working will cause that.

    There's loads of reasons to suggest that the G20 is already trying to plan for workless economies and workless growth, changes in taxation for one, moving away from income or earnings taxes towards environmental/pollution taxes, sales taxes and poll taxes, they're just a recognition of the fact that not only will states not be spending to create jobs but of the few and lowly paid that can will remain post-industrial they'll be unworthy of chasing up as a source of tax revenue.

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