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    Default Title of this sector.

    Does it not sound almost sacrligeous to put Politics on the same list as History and Current Events. That wretched 'enterprise' hardly deserves a mention.

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    All life is politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rivercrow View Post
    All life is politics.

    Only if you think like an extrovert, whereas you see the community in a way that you relate to it and not vice versa.

    If your task is to live in accordance to your own standard, all of life will not be politics, politics will only be means to an end, something that you may have to engage in to get where you're going.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    Does it not sound almost sacrligeous to put Politics on the same list as History and Current Events. That wretched 'enterprise' hardly deserves a mention.
    To me it seems pointless to add 'History and Current Events' to the tail, since they're both derivations of politics.

    At any rate, I'm intrigued by the idea that politics can be treated as nothing more than a means to an end...care to elaborate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Langrenus View Post
    To me it seems pointless to add 'History and Current Events' to the tail, since they're both derivations of politics.

    At any rate, I'm intrigued by the idea that politics can be treated as nothing more than a means to an end...care to elaborate?
    Oh no, Politics are the way that human actions are represented. History and Current events are the heat, politics are the vapor.

    Think about it, politics are not the human activity in itself, it is just the way that it manifests itself in society.

    Nobody engages in politics for its own end like we do in current events, this is just something that happens along the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    Oh no, Politics are the way that human actions are represented. History and Current events are the heat, politics are the vapor.

    Think about it, politics are not the human activity in itself, it is just the way that it manifests itself in society.

    Nobody engages in politics for its own end like we do in current events, this is just something that happens along the way.
    I think it's fair to say we're coming at this from very different perspectives, but I'll try to respond on your grounds (although I admit I was hoping for a bit more to work with)

    History and current events are necessarily driven by politics, be they at a micro or macro level. History is written by the victor, and that victor tends to be the dominant ideological force...historically chosen through war (which, at any rate, is just politics by another means) but decided now, perhaps, by economic or cultural hegemony. At any rate, chosen ultimately through politics. I see the heat/vapour analogy working in reverse...in the boiling pot you have all perceivable ways of interpreting and recording an event. The fire beneath boils off the majority and leaves a solution which we then consider 'history'. Current events are likewise driven by political actions.

    I believe that everyone engages in politics, be it implicitly or explicitly. Even the simple act of buying a carton of milk could be seen as an implicit acceptance of the political order of the day.

    I'm working so can't really give this the attention it deserves at the minute...I might return to the question when I get home.

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    Part of the idea here was to have much broader subfora than at our sister site (peace be unto her). Widening the scope on many levels. The threads can speak for themselves.

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    While politics are a bore, they are inevitable, like death and taxes. Might as well have them here.

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    It encourages the possibility of having topics devoted to history w/o necessarily bringing up current day politics, and the possibility to have topics devoted to current events that aren't necessarily related to politics or history. They end up overlapping each other a lot, so one topic could easily be semi-related to another.

    Hopefully I'll get around to posting some topics on history soon... discussions on history usually go very differntly than either of the other two, and the same is true for the other two in regards to their other two...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SolitaryWalker View Post
    Does it not sound almost sacrligeous to put Politics on the same list as History and Current Events. That wretched 'enterprise' hardly deserves a mention.
    I think they go hand in hand, since they're all illusive, subjective and based on one's perception. I would challenge anyone to provide a quote or slogan from the constitution, history, current events, etc that reigns meaningful and consistent.

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