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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexicon View Post
    This isn't a video game.. maybe it's different?!
    ' m pretty sure it is a game. And it also includes video [broadcast to the masses].

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexicon View Post
    Perhaps those pressures came from the fact that they were ignoring legal documents that should've ensured equal rights for this person as a legal female.
    Where's the legitimacy of the state to decide who's a woman and who is a man?

    The state has not more legitimacy to decide that a man is a woman than to decide that a jew is a meat for a gaz chamber.

    One only thing is legitimate for sure: the jury of a competitition can decide who is allow to compete according to their own personal rules. If they consider that a transgender is not a real woman, they have the right to act according to that idea, that's called freedom of thought. When political pressures try to force them to change their mind, they restrict their freedom of thought and their freedom of action.

    And there's no legitimacy for this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Where's the legitimacy of the state to decide who's a woman and who is a man?

    The state has not more legitimacy to decide that a man is a woman than to decide that a jew is a meat for a gaz chamber.

    One only thing is legitimate for sure: the jury of a competitition can decide who is allow to compete according to their own personal rules. If they consider that a transgender is not a real woman, they have the right to act according to that idea, that's called freedom of thought. When political pressures try to force them to change their mind, they restrict their freedom of thought and their freedom of action.

    And there's no legitimacy for this.
    I'm pretty sure that's not how it works on the current society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phobik View Post
    I'm pretty sure that's not how it works on the current society.
    The beauty pageant seems to indacate the contrary.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    The beauty pageant seems to indacate the contrary.
    On the contrary, they depict quite accurately how society works.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    Where's the legitimacy of the state to decide who's a woman and who is a man?

    The state has not more legitimacy to decide that a man is a woman than to decide that a jew is a meat for a gaz chamber.

    One only thing is legitimate for sure: the jury of a competitition can decide who is allow to compete according to their own personal rules. If they consider that a transgender is not a real woman, they have the right to act according to that idea, that's called freedom of thought. When political pressures try to force them to change their mind, they restrict their freedom of thought and their freedom of action.

    And there's no legitimacy for this.
    This contest was/will be held in Canada, yes? I can't be certain of their laws, obviously, but over here there are plenty of general anti-discrimination laws in place that would either ensure equal rights of someone like this contestant, or elicit a very strong reaction from political/nonpolitical figures on the basis alone that some laws that attempt to protect the rights of these people do exist to begin with.

    I'll refer you here, to see what I mean.
    http://www.transgenderlaw.org
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexicon View Post
    This contest was/will be held in Canada, yes? I can't be certain of their laws, obviously, but over here there are plenty of general anti-discrimination laws in place that would either ensure equal rights of someone like this contestant
    And that's precisely the problem. Discrimination is freedom. If a boss of a company doesn't want to engage someone, it's his right, same for the boss of a beauty pageant, he can refuse some people to compete. Theses anti-discrilination laws are a violation of freedom, and nothing else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    And that's precisely the problem. Discrimination is freedom. If a boss of a company doesn't want to engage someone, it's his right, same for the boss of a beauty pageant, he can refuse some people to compete. Theses anti-discrilination laws are a violation of freedom, and nothing else.
    It's owned in part by NBC Universal- I'm pretty sure being reminded of anti-discriminatory laws, along with any political/public outcry served to remind them that excluding this one person might not be the best longterm business move, and might have caused them to reevaluate their decision. Law and ethics aside, it is a business, so perhaps they had that in mind, when they changed their minds, as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Speed Gavroche View Post
    And that's precisely the problem. Discrimination is freedom. If a boss of a company doesn't want to engage someone, it's his right, same for the boss of a beauty pageant, he can refuse some people to compete. Theses anti-discrilination laws are a violation of freedom, and nothing else.
    Whichever stance any individual or the masses tries to push onto the world, as the right way to go, will create polarity and generate the opposite in someone else, somewhere, sometime, somehow. It's the way of the universe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lexicon View Post
    It's owned in part by NBC Universal- I'm pretty sure being reminded of anti-discriminatory laws, along with any political/public outcry served to remind them that excluding this one person might not be the best longterm business move, and might have caused them to reevaluate their decision. Law and ethics aside, it is a business, so perhaps they had that in mind, when they changed their minds, as well.
    They didn't change their decisions for buisness. And even if they had done it for taht reason, an alternative beauty pageant without transgender could emerge. problem is that anti-discrimnatory law forbid that, forcing everybody to allign on the same model. That's called dictatorship.
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