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    Default New Black Panther (Florida Shooting Incident)

    Please, keep it as civil as can be. (I'll just get someone to lock the thread, maybe @Patches or something if it gets bad.) I know the issue will create some heat. If anyone want to note what position I am in, I'm on neither side because everyone is getting their anger ahead of themselves.

    I'm not completely up to date when it comes to events, but I do know about the Florida shooting incident that has set off a chain of events. What seems to have caught my attention is the New Black Panther getting into this issue - their current focus is to get George Zimmerman (dead or alive) into custody, and possibly by force if the police/government won't.

    Can you say opening a can-of-worms? People are outrage, not just these people. The group isn't helping, but instead, scaring people. Who wouldn't think, at this point, that these guys would be policing people out of force sometime later? It is another damn hate group. If anything, it is as bad as the KKK. They essentially used this incident as a scapegoat towards their cause.

    The last I checked, the President is the President of the United States.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/24/justic...html?hpt=hp_t2

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/22/in...rtin-shooting/

    http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-i...er-17-year-old

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    Considering their track record, I have a hard time believing they would give someone 10k, let alone have 10k to begin with. Furthermore, I believe this to be a publicity stunt and that they're looking to put themselves in the foreground. And I wouldn't even compare them to the KKK until they've been caught burning down churches with children inside or any of the other glorious acts perpetrated by our friends in white.

    As for Zimmerman, he is royally fucked if he decides to remain in this country. Whether he goes to jail or not, the likelihood of his being murdered/beaten is fairly high.
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    Meh... I kind of think they're making a mountain out of a mole hill.

    The stand you're ground law would be fine if the burden of proof was shifted to the shooter to prove that the situation warranted deadly force.

    Unfortunately, the its worded now, the law creates an opportunity for itchy trigger fingers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rail Tracer View Post
    Please, keep it as civil as can be. (I'll just get someone to lock the thread, maybe @Patches or something if it gets bad.) I know the issue will create some heat. If anyone want to note what position I am in, I'm on neither side because everyone is getting their anger ahead of themselves.

    I'm not completely up to date when it comes to events, but I do know about the Florida shooting incident that has set off a chain of events. What seems to have caught my attention is the New Black Panther getting into this issue - their current focus is to get George Zimmerman (dead or alive) into custody, and possibly by force if the police/government won't.

    Can you say opening a can-of-worms? People are outrage, not just these people. The group isn't helping, but instead, scaring people. Who wouldn't think, at this point, that these guys would be policing people out of force sometime later? It is another damn hate group. If anything, it is as bad as the KKK. They essentially used this incident as a scapegoat towards their cause.

    The last I checked, the President is the President of the United States.

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/03/24/justic...html?hpt=hp_t2

    http://dailycaller.com/2012/03/22/in...rtin-shooting/

    http://www.examiner.com/gun-rights-i...er-17-year-old

    http://blog.sfgate.com/hottopics/cat...panther-party/
    who is "the group".


    The cop must have seen a lot in his day to of pulled his stunt, seems like paranoia or something. But whatever the situation is, he will be incarcerated for public relations concerns before the crime me thinks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Munchies View Post
    who is "the group".
    First the NBP. Though they claim to be anything similar to the original Black Panthers, it is almost certain they'll be creating tension. Who are they to call on the President? They're making the President's job that much harder. Who are they to make themselves sound like the ill-authority that they are.

    Second, the vocal group. Yes, it is good to be vocal when you need to be. It is good the family became vocal about their own son being killed. No argument here. It is good that they've done a rally to show the stupidity of thinking someone is out to get you with hoodies on (not really.)

    Let us break into the stereotype argument. Hoodies, whether a stereotype or not. There are many ways to mitigate this stereotype, and it is to take it off when the situation calls for it. If you don't want a person to be suspicious of you, don't wear your hood on when a situation really doesn't call for it. While it is different for different people I don't wear a hood unless it is raining or unless it is cold. Keep that argument out. It is unfortunate that Trayvon was used for this situation, but that is the sad truth.

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    It's tragic that Trayvon got killed, but I see nothing to suggest that Zimmerman committed a hate crime. The facts seems to indicate that he was simply a volunteer security guard who ended up in a situation he was not well prepared for. Sacrificing scapegoats does nothing to address the real issues.

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    I've seen stories like this come and go and I've seen politicised gangs try to capitalise on it, Mumia anyone?

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    It's what happens when certain groups don't think the law is on their side.

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    I'm glad I don't live in Florida anymore, where someone could shoot me because I might look "scary".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rail Tracer View Post
    First the NBP. Though they claim to be anything similar to the original Black Panthers, it is almost certain they'll be creating tension. Who are they to call on the President? They're making the President's job that much harder. Who are they to make themselves sound like the ill-authority that they are.

    Second, the vocal group. Yes, it is good to be vocal when you need to be. It is good the family became vocal about their own son being killed. No argument here. It is good that they've done a rally to show the stupidity of thinking someone is out to get you with hoodies on (not really.)

    Let us break into the stereotype argument. Hoodies, whether a stereotype or not. There are many ways to mitigate this stereotype, and it is to take it off when the situation calls for it. If you don't want a person to be suspicious of you, don't wear your hood on when a situation really doesn't call for it. While it is different for different people I don't wear a hood unless it is raining or unless it is cold. Keep that argument out. It is unfortunate that Trayvon was used for this situation, but that is the sad truth.
    If that is a wide beleif we must be killing innocent people left and right in afganistan because they wear hoods and turbans all the time. There is no way to go about this situation. Let the |movement" die, and we'll all float along.
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