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    Default How Religious Expression Is Splitting the U.S. Electorate–Including Republicans

    Here is an article from time discussing the issue that I agree with entirely.

    How Religious Expression Is Splitting the U.S. Electorate–Including Republicans



    Americans may be more religious than their peers in other Western countries, but they have their limits when it comes to mixing religion and public life. According to a new survey conducted by Pew, a 38% plurality of Americans for the first time say there’s too much expression of faith in politics. That figure has increased dramatically in the last decade, especially in the last two years, and currently includes almost half of Democrats and independents. Even roughly a quarter of Republicans, up from 8% in 2001, feel the same way.


    Part of this can be explained by the rise of the “nones”–Americans who do not identify with any particular faith or who consider themselves atheists and agnostics–a bloc that has grown considerably in recent years, from 12% of the population in the 1990s to 19% last year. Fully a third of young people now count themselves as unaffiliated, and young “nones” nearly doubled between 2006 and 2011, according to political scientists Robert Putnam and David Campbell.

    In an article appearing in the March-April 2012 issue of Foreign Affairs adapted from their upcoming book, American Grace: How Religion Unites and Divides Us, Putnam and Campbell argue that the growth in the unaffiliateds has been fueled by a backlash against the religious right. There’s some debate whether the “nones” are really abandoning spirituality–most still believe in God but don’t claim ties to any organized religion–and whether culture warriors, secular indoctrination at elite institutions (as some conservatives dubiously argue) or pop evangelists (see Ross Douthat) are to blame.

    But whatever the cause, the political implications of this bloc are plain: Unaffiliateds don’t like religious sermonizing in the public square. According to Pew, 66% of “nones” think the government is too involved in dictating morality; 70% think abortion should be legal in all or most cases; and 71% think homosexuality should be accepted by society.

    As you might suspect, a majority of the “nones” lean Democratic. But this story is not exclusively partisan. Since 2010, the proportion of white Catholics who say public figures are invoking faith too often has grown by the same amount, 11%, as it has among the unaffiliated, according to Pew. The increase among white mainline Protestants who feel the same way, a 13-point bump in the last two years, is even larger. However, white Evangelicals remain unswayed and heavily favor more religious politicking, not less.

    That split is on display in the current Republican presidential primary, where religious expression appears to be something of a wedge issue. Mitt Romney has consistently performed well among the well-educated, a group more likely to shy away from political professions of faith, while every single major primary win by Rick Santorum has come in states where Evangelicals make up an outsize portion of the electorate.

    This is sometimes explained by Romney’s upper-class airs or Evangelical distrust of Mormonism — and Romney’s faith accounts for some of his reluctance to inject religion into the conversation — but Pew’s data show that a third of Romney supporters say there’s too much faith in politics (a 36% plurality says the current amount is OK) and a majority think churches should keep out of political matters. Pluralities of Rick Santorum’s backers, meanwhile, feel there’s too little religious expression and that churches should let their views be known.

    Romney’s voters are still distinguishable from Democrats, an outright majority of whom say there’s too much religious expression in the arena, and if he wins the nomination, it’s unlikely to be a major factor in a contest between two men who lack strongly religious political identities. But the issue is not simply partisan. And the rise of the unaffiliateds indicates that it’s not one that’s likely to dissipate any time soon.
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    Someone should tell Rick Santorum that the populus believes the radical, leftist notion that gov't and religion should be separated.

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    First thought: This looks like a very reassuring trend.

    Second thought: Finally!
    IN SERIO FATVITAS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mad Hatter View Post
    Second thought: Finally!
    QFE

    The funny thing is the amount of people that don't even realize how many well established/practiced laws we have here that are directly attributable to religion.
    "You will always be fond of me. I represent to you all the sins you never had the courage to commit."

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    than to serve and obey them. - David Hume

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    The funny thing is the amount of people that don't even realize how many well established/practiced laws we have here that are directly attributable to religion.
    Yea like all those laws separating church and state.

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    I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but I was talking about laws that deal with:

    virtually anything related to marriage or divorce
    obscenity restrictions or prohibition - verbal, sexual, etc
    blue laws - alcohol sales and business hours on sundays
    tax exemption for churches
    restrictions on birth control

    I'm sure there are a number that aren't coming to mind, though. Also, I wasn't implying that it was a good thing.

    In my experience, a healthy portion of the people that say that they support the separation of church and state really only support the separation of the state and churches other than their own.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphosis View Post
    I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not, but I was talking about laws that deal with:

    virtually anything related to marriage or divorce
    obscenity restrictions or prohibition - verbal, sexual, etc
    blue laws - alcohol sales and business hours on sundays
    tax exemption for churches
    restrictions on birth control

    I'm sure there are a number that aren't coming to mind, though. Also, I wasn't implying that it was a good thing.

    In my experience, a healthy portion of the people that say that they support the separation of church and state really only support the separation of the state and churches other than their own.
    I feel sorry for any state still enacting Blue Laws. What do they do if it's Sunday and you invite friends over to watch football.. and you run out of a beer? I can't believe laws like that even get considered.. let alone passed. Why does anyone's religious beliefs about holy days bear any relevance out of the millions who reside in the area?

    Even more strange is that the Sabbath in the Bible is Friday night and Saturday, and these Christians changed it to Sunday. Even more strange than that is that Jesus wasn't even strict about the Sabbath, in a 1st century Jewish culture, and got a lot of flak for it. I don't even know what religion these people believe in. It just seems like a random belief they made up to troll other people.

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    feel sorry for any state still enacting Blue Laws.
    You mean county.

    That's the great thing about states rights, the can enact laws that suit their populace without affecting you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    You mean county.
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    There are plenty of states with active blue laws.
    "You will always be fond of me. I represent to you all the sins you never had the courage to commit."

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    You mean county.

    That's the great thing about states rights, the can enact laws that suit their populace without affecting you.
    By that reasoning, Jim Crow laws were also a good idea. And before that sounds like hyperbole, sadly, it really wasn't that long ago that some did think they were good, and used the same arguments.

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