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    Default Fixing Mexico?

    Perhaps I'm not as knowledgeable as I should be on the subject, but why don't we focus our attention not towards Uganda or Iran or any other country except Mexico? Seriously, the entire place is run by drug lords and many people fear fo their lives, resulting in a large influx of illegal immigration (I think 50% of illiegal immigrants come from Mexico). We should focus our attention there.

    What measures could we take to fix up the country? Obviously full out war wouldn't be an option, or would it after out economy revitalizes? Or what non-violent means could the U.S. take to ensure the reconstruction of their nation? Should we annex them? Ignore them? Etc.?

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    Legalise all the drugs, at the very minimum decriminalization. If you only decriminalize use, production is still controlled illegally by the cartels. Industrial hemp farming campaigns.
    This is classic violence from the Al Capone days, deal with it the same way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tantive View Post
    Legalise all the drugs, at the very minimum decriminalization. If you only decriminalize use, production is still controlled illegally by the cartels. Industrial hemp farming campaigns.
    This is classic violence from the Al Capone days, deal with it the same way.
    I have thought about that idea before. Although in order to completely take away the production of the drug cartel's merchandise we would need full legalization so that it's buyable within the states; only decriminalization would still mean that people have to buy their drugs off the street if selling them isn't fully legal. And of course there's problem that arise with letting anyone purchase and use drugs that are dangerous, not to mention how the market would make such drugs affordable, or at least cheaper than what the drug cartels sell.

    But overall, would it really be enough to cripple their power completely? Surely they'll adapt and find somewhere else to make their drug money, and they already control a large portion of the government due to their corruption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    Perhaps I'm not as knowledgeable as I should be on the subject, but why don't we focus our attention not towards Uganda or Iran or any other country except Mexico? Seriously, the entire place is run by drug lords and many people fear fo their lives, resulting in a large influx of illegal immigration (I think 50% of illiegal immigrants come from Mexico). We should focus our attention there.
    I say we fix all of OUR problems first before we tinker with other people's.
    No one appreciates it when we the U.S. does try to help, so fuck it. Fix the homeland.
    Once our shit is in order I'm for fixing up Mexico before dinkering with the Middle East or elsewhere, but not a moment sooner.
    It's not unwise to look after your neighbors for many reasons...

    Quote Originally Posted by Savage Idealist View Post
    What measures could we take to fix up the country? Obviously full out war wouldn't be an option, or would it after out economy revitalizes? Or what non-violent means could the U.S. take to ensure the reconstruction of their nation? Should we annex them? Ignore them? Etc.?
    I'm going to play devil's advocate here.
    Have you ever considered that the powers that be are "OK" with Mexico as it is, regardless of how fucked up it is?
    Can you imagine any reasons why it behooves the existing power structure(s) to think as such?
    Thinking we can dump money into any foreign land and fix it is terribly naieve.
    Look how well Pakistan is doing.
    Look how well Israel is doing.
    Good puppet states we do not create.
    Money transferred under such premises is rarely spent as intended...



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    Because thats not how American Imperialism works.
    The fear of poverty turns people into slaves of money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halla74 View Post
    I say we fix all of OUR problems first before we tinker with other people's.
    No one appreciates it when we the U.S. does try to help, so fuck it. Fix the homeland.
    Once our shit is in order I'm for fixing up Mexico before dinkering with the Middle East or elsewhere, but not a moment sooner.
    It's not unwise to look after your neighbors for many reasons...
    Well of course; I'm actually in favor of keeping the border closed off and limiting legal immigration, until the local economy is reconstructed and our infrastructure is redesigned (or tweeked) to accomodate more people.

    I'm going to play devil's advocate here.
    Have you ever considered that the powers that be are "OK" with Mexico as it is, regardless of how fucked up it is?
    Can you imagine any reasons why it behooves the existing power structure(s) to think as such?
    When you say 'power that be' do you mean the U.S. government or the Mexican government? In the case of the former, there might be little hope then for any sort of intervention if the politicians have no desire to do anything about it. The only method then would be a mass media movement that drastically encourages intervention while demonizing the enemy with the support of celebrities and oh wait . . .

    In the case of the latter, the Mexican government is so corrupted that I think most of it is controlled by the drug cartels who of course would never be in favor of such military endeavors.

    Thinking we can dump money into any foreign land and fix it is terribly naieve.
    Look how well Pakistan is doing.
    Look how well Israel is doing.
    Good puppet states we do not create.
    Money transferred under such premises is rarely spent as intended...
    True, and I'm against just throwing money at the problem, rather I think that full reconstruction would be needed; we could attempt to fix a nation by supporting those who would use power wisely, but we can't outright take care of them forever, systems would need to be set up in order to get them to become their own independent self-governing nations.

    Quote Originally Posted by yenom View Post
    Because thats not how American Imperialism works.
    So we should go invading with an army instead, and then spend a decade fighting an unwinable battle while the country feels divided on the matter?

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    I've been talking about how much more important Mexico is to our national security than the middle east for a while.

    Unfortunately, the failed drug war allows our govt to spend billions creating agencies and enforcing legislation.

    Not to mention how much we spend on border security generally.

    The problem is, that once a program and its spending is authorized, the govt is generally loath to repeal it and lose the jobs created by it, and the money it required.

    But yea, in terms of our actual national security picture, Mexico is a way bigger deal than the middle east.

    I'll prob post more later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Unfortunately, the failed drug war allows our govt to spend billions creating agencies and enforcing legislation.
    This is one of the things I was alluding to...
    Gotta' keep them prison guards employed.

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    Not to mention how much we spend on border security generally.
    Money poorly spent, considering the overall lack of border security.

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    The problem is, that once a program and its spending is authorized, the govt is generally loath to repeal it and lose the jobs created by it, and the money it required.
    An excellent point.

    Laws are a pain in the ass to pass, and funding is a nightmare to obtain.

    It's a shame that if the intended results are not achiefved by such efforts that our leaders are too damn sorry to pull the plug on them.

    American elected officials have no concept of the concepts of "SUNK COST" (no matter how much more money you dump into it, you'll never get back what you've already lost on this bad idea) or "OPPORTUNITY COST" (Do they have any idea what else could be done with those funds that is actually useful? Obviously not. If they do, they don't care, and that's even worse).

    Quote Originally Posted by DiscoBiscuit View Post
    But yea, in terms of our actual national security picture, Mexico is a way bigger deal than the middle east.
    +1, totally agreed.

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    I'll prob post more later.
    I hope so.



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    I find it arrogant to assume we can fix others when we fail to fix ourselves.. We have some ideas right, but we're not so far away from people leaving the country to take refuge elsewhere. Medical costs, disagreement on education and the way the country is going.. People talk about leaving all the time. It used to be jokes.. but lately, the jokes have evolved into more serious notes. I don't think to compare the US to under developed countries.. but I fear we aren't the safe haven we once were, just a wall once made of gold now hollowed out and replaced with cheap sand. Gilded, but people are starting to notice what is underneath.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tantive View Post
    Legalise all the drugs, at the very minimum decriminalization. If you only decriminalize use, production is still controlled illegally by the cartels. Industrial hemp farming campaigns.
    This is classic violence from the Al Capone days, deal with it the same way.
    I have a better idea. Americans could stop buying drugs.

    It is a tough situation though. I have pondered this question more than once myself.
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