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    Quote Originally Posted by 93JC View Post
    The Statue of Liberty (Liberty Enlightening the World) is no more a statue of a "prostitute enthroned in Notre Dame Cathedral" than the statue of Britannia in Plymouth. They are effigies of one and the same person: Libertas, the Roman goddess of freedom (from which the word liberty itself is derived).

    The idea that the statue represents anything otherwise is absolutely ludicrous and the stuff of conspiracy theorists wearing tin-foil hats.
    Yeah but what interests me is that a short time ago Victor would have thought it absolutely champion that there was a libertarian affront to religion of such prominence on display, whether it had anything to do with prostitution or not.

    The relationship of protestantism to bigotry is an interesting one but I dont think this thread or the OP is about that so much really.

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    http://www.snopes.com/history/american/liberty.asp

    ...Frederic Auguste Bartholdi, then a young French artist, was commissioned in 1865 by Edouard de Laboulaye and a group of influential French citizens to work on a monument to liberty, intended as a gift from the people of France to the people of the United States of America. Most sources agree that Bartholdi used his mistress (later his wife) and mother as Lady Liberty's models, with his mother serving as the inspiration for the face and his wife for the torso.
    There are rumors the body was modeled after a prostitute (even if the face was modeled on the sculptor's mother), but I'm not sure what that has to do with ANYTHING. Artists typically acquire models for any range of art in order to capture the correct dimensions of the human body. As a similar example, I'm sure that pornography is even used when drawing nudes because (1) it's cheaper than hiring a human, (2) it's easily accessible, (3) the bodies of the women shown in the magazines are typically in excellent/ideal shape [unless one wants to draw an "average person"] and (4) there are lots of poses involved, to get various angles.

    Considering you can pay a woman to take her clothes off to sculpt her body, using a prostitute as a source doesn't seem to be anything more than pragmatism at play here, even if the rumor is true.

    The first online source I've found for this is:

    To the Illuminati, Liberte meant moral license, and during the French Revolution, a prostitute was placed on the altar at the Cathedral of Notre Dame.

    The SL looks like Semiramis, including the 7 rays coming from her head. (for pictures see next to last page of my April 26/May 1, 2003 NewsWithViews article). Semiramis is the legendary Assyrian queen who reputedly founded Babylon in the early 9th Century B.C. and was known for her sexual license. Voltaire even wrote a play called Semiramis.
    http://www.newswithviews.com/Cuddy/dennis180.htm

    But the site is NewsWithViews and it has this interesting line in its About page: "NewsWithViews.com is NOT affiliated with any religious organizations or groups. We believe in God and our Lord Jesus Christ the Savior of mankind." Sounds like the Masons or something.

    http://www.newswithviews.com/Cuddy/dennis180.htm

    more stuff here, but again note how the main sources for ideas like this seem to be religious fringe groups...
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    Victor is most certainly the best contributor on TypoC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    We have failed, though, to find the affectionate diminutive for the very words 'affectionate diminutive' and God knows they need one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 93JC View Post
    The Statue of Liberty (Liberty Enlightening the World) is no more a statue of a "prostitute enthroned in Notre Dame Cathedral" than the statue of Britannia in Plymouth. They are effigies of one and the same person: Libertas, the Roman goddess of freedom (from which the word liberty itself is derived).
    If you do not understand how an effigy of a Roman goddess is an affront to Christianity, then there is very little hope for you...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Salomé View Post
    LOL


    If you do not understand how an effigy of a Roman goddess is an affront to Christianity, then there is very little hope for you...
    Roman mythos is no affront to Christianity. There's a statue of George Washington where Washington is likened unto Zeus.
    It would only be an affront to Christianity if it was installed in a church. As a symbol? Meh, no big deal.

    Just another echo from the greatest empire the world ever saw. Western Civilization has never forgotten the Roman empire, and there are even those of us who really want it back ^___^

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    Victor is most certainly the best contributor on TypoC
    Why so?

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    but I dont think this thread or the OP is about that so much really.
    'Course not. It is about propaganda and how we are inclined to believe our own propaganda.

    Why is this?

    Well, what is propaganda?

    Propaganda is neither true nor false, neither right nor wrong, rather propaganda is plausible or implausible.

    But once we start to see through propaganda such as the Statue of Liberty, we start to see through all propaganda.

    Of course this is not for the faint hearted, for seeing through our propaganda brings alienation and cognitive dissonance.

    And most of us want to belong and don't want to be alienated; and most of us want to be comfortable and happy rather than experience the emotional pain of cognitive dissonance.

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    Propaganda is properly propped up and propogated by the proles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post

    Of course this is not for the faint hearted, for seeing through our propaganda brings alienation and cognitive dissonance.

    And most of us want to belong and don't want to be alienated; and most of us want to be comfortable and happy rather than experience the emotional pain of cognitive dissonance.
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