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    Professionally I am sometimes immersed in the wealthy culture and it rattles me. It is the obliviousness to suffering and poverty that is so unnerving. I try to appreciate the positive motivations when they occur, but the application of kindness steeped in arrogance can be enraging. Comments like the following are what I'm talking about.

    "Recession? What recession? My church just raised 50 thousand dollars."
    "A young Native American girl came to me for a lesson and she had no confidence. When I told her she could do anything it was like a light came on, like she had been living in a dark cave for years and just now saw the light."
    "As a true American I have to show my ID every day [insert lists of services]. Be proud of your ID and bravo to Arizona for keeping us safe from illegal immigrants."
    "My tax dollars shouldn't have to go to support welfare people who are lazy and just use it on drugs. I work hard for that money."
    "I always push a button when I break up with my girlfriends. Like one time I started dating this girl's sister because I knew she felt jealous. But then they get really angry and yell at me and so I end up being the victim. They don't understand I am like an eagle and I am innocent of myself."
    "If we can just keep our innocence until we are thirty, I believe we would have a million dollars in the bank."
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmileyMan View Post
    I suspect this perception of "evil rich people" is just working-class narrow-mindedness and jealousy.
    Are the working-class generally associated with "narrow-mindedness"? The wealthy don't have to even think about the working-class, but the working-class are subjected to the wealthy every day as employers and politicians and are often oppressed to the point of risk to their temporal needs as a result. Maybe people are jealous of those who oppress them, but that aspect of the reaction is not the primary issue. To assume the wealthy are of such a desirable nature that a negative reaction to them could only be jealousy is a pretty amazing assumption and exactly what I was trying to describe about entitlement and blindness.
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    I'm not going to read the study... because I don't like reading studies. But, this sounds unlikely to me. But, what does sound likely to me is that when wealthy people are unethical it affects more people than when poor people are unethical. And even if it isn't intended, wealthy people can more easily end up financing unethical things, just because there is such a layer of insulation and white washing between what their money procures and what it takes for it to be procured. Wealth is an amplifier.

    Even the American middle class, which by forum standards isn't wealthy, finances unethical situations that affects a very large amount of people.

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    the keypoint would lie in the question, how those people got wealthy in the first place
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    I was going to create a thread discussion on this the day it came out, but only the abstract from PNAS.org is available and there was no point debating it without the particulars. (If you want to purchase the paper before it's released for free, it's $10.00. I considered it, but decided not to.) Without the actual research it's impossible to know which aspect is cause or effect (do unethical people become wealthy, or do wealthy people become unethical and how did the researchers determine this) and I think that's the more engaging discussion.

    Also, the phonetics of the PNAS acronym continue to make me chuckle. Childish, I know.

    The abstract:

    Seven studies using experimental and naturalistic methods reveal that upper-class individuals behave more unethically than lower-class individuals. In studies 1 and 2, upper-class individuals were more likely to break the law while driving, relative to lower-class individuals. In follow-up laboratory studies, upper-class individuals were more likely to exhibit unethical decision-making tendencies (study 3), take valued goods from others (study 4), lie in a negotiation (study 5), cheat to increase their chances of winning a prize (study 6), and endorse unethical behavior at work (study 7) than were lower-class individuals. Mediator and moderator data demonstrated that upper-class individuals’ unethical tendencies are accounted for, in part, by their more favorable attitudes toward greed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fia View Post
    Are the working-class generally associated with "narrow-mindedness"?
    In some ways, yes. More specifically, provincialism and lack of exposure to new ideas. Upper classes tend to suffer more from the problem of unfounded confidence in one's own views, despite exposure to many. Basically, ignorance vs. arrogance.


    The wealthy don't have to even think about the working-class,
    Have you ever been someone's manager?


    but the working-class are subjected to the wealthy every day as employers and politicians and are often oppressed to the point of risk to their temporal needs as a result. Maybe people are jealous of those who oppress them,
    "oppress?" Really? How many people are actually oppressed by their bosses? Not treated worse than they would like, but actively oppressed by someone? This sounds like rhetoric from someone who thinks that the simple fact of having less material wealth or economic power necessarily means one is oppressed in life. I would have thought that mentality died out long ago. And class envy is never OK.


    but that aspect of the reaction is not the primary issue. To assume the wealthy are of such a desirable nature that a negative reaction to them could only be jealousy is a pretty amazing assumption
    That is actually a pretty odd assumption on your part. You're literally putting words in people's mouths.


    and exactly what I was trying to describe about entitlement and blindness.
    It's neither entitled nor blind of someone to say, "Hey, your response seemed to be based on jealousy (envy, really) because XYZ." You're implying that anyone who disagrees and countervails is automatically wrong because their perspective doesn't match your own, no matter who valid it may be.
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    A person who is more greedy and less scrupulous is more likely to become rich. A person who is rich has a safety net that gives them more room to be unconcerned with social mores and obligations.

    Would anyone find those two premises to be surprising?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    This isn't scientific, and really it has little to do with wealth in and of itself, but I've had a theory that success as we define it in most professional arenas creates (or at least encourages) sociopathic behavior.
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    One Out Of Every Ten Wall Street Employees Is A Psychopath, Say Researchers
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    Quote Originally Posted by yenom View Post
    yes, because smarter people are more machieveillian . and wealth is a result of intelligence.
    You think all intelligent people are Machiavellian? That seems patently wrong to me.

    As does the supposition that all rich people are intelligent. Or, hell, that every rich person is Machiavellian. Though the correlations there seem more logical than "intelligence itself breeds manipulative, cold and self-interested tendencies."
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    Mansion servant enslaved by uber-rich New York family for nearly six years

    A wealthy New York woman is facing criminal charges after being accused of keeping an illegal immigrant as an indentured servant and forcing her to live in a closet for nearly six years.

    Documents posted on the Smoking Gun allege that Annie George, 39, and her now-deceased husband, Mathai Kolath George, hired an illegal immigrant from the Indian state of Kerala. The immigrant, identified only as "V.M.," was promised about $1,000 a month in wages to live in the family's 34-room, 30,000-square-foot home, known as Llenroc mansion, which houses a helicopter pad, 15 fireplaces, marble flooring, 24-karat gold gilded ceilings and a glass elevator. V.M. was tasked with taking care of the Georges' four young children, along with performing household duties in the mansion located about 20 miles north of Albany.

    New York's minimum wage is $7.25 an hour. Even if V.M. had been allowed to leave the residence at the end of a regular 40-hour workweek, she would have been entitled to a minimum, pretax income of $290 per week, or $1,160 per month.

    Instead, the "forced labor situation" (as described in the court papers) was even worse than the already-below minimum wage offer of $1,000 month. V.M. received 85 cents an hour, working 17-hour days, seven days a week, over the 67 months she was kept inside the George residence.

    All told, V.M. received only about $29,000 over the five and a half years she was forced to work for the George family.
    Not only should this lady go to prison, she should be forced to pay this poor woman all of the back-wages that she would've earned at minimum wage at the very least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iwakar View Post


    Mansion servant enslaved by uber-rich New York family for nearly six years



    Not only should this lady go to prison, she should be forced to pay this poor woman all of the back-wages that she would've earned at minimum wage at the very least.
    The potential civil damages for the torts committed here would be in the tens of millions of dollars in a New York courtroom.
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