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    Default 'Hot for Teacher' Essay Gets University Student Escorted Off Campus & Suspended

    This is from my alma mater no less...

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    A Michigan college student is crying foul after he was kicked off campus for writing a sexually suggestive journal entry about his teacher for a class assignment.

    Joseph Corlett, a 56-year-old countertop refinisher who is pursuing a degree in writing and rhetoric at Oakland University, wrote the essay as a part of a creative writing journal assignment in a writing course.

    In his essay, which he said was inspired by the 1984 Van Halen hit "Hot for Teacher," he wrote about his first impressions of his professor, Pamela Mitzelfeld, describing her as "tall, blonde, stacked, smart, articulate."

    Corlett said he was under the impression that there were no restrictions on what he could write about in his journal.

    "The real issue is the First Amendment," Corlett said. "It's about academic freedom and about due process. These are the real issues of the case, and the sooner we can get past the titillation of it and see those issues, the better."
    In January, after a campus hearing, the university found Corlett guilty of intimidation. Another charge, for sexual harassment, was dropped. Corlett was suspended for three semesters, banned from stepping foot on campus and required to seek out psychological counseling before he could be eligible to reenroll, according to documentation provided to ABC News by Corlett.
    But after Mitzelfeld reviewed Corlett's daybook, she initiated a university review of his conduct, which led to a meeting with a dean, and instructions to stay away from Mitzelfeld's class for awhile, until she could cool down, Cortlett said. But when he eventually returned to class, he was escorted out of the room by university police, he said, and asked not to return pending a university judicial hearing.

    Oakland University initially charged Corlett with sexual harassment and intimidation, both classified as "unlawful individual activities" in the school's student handbook.
    "Just because something is offensive doesn't mean that it is a criminal act,'' Polcinski said. "I think the First Amendment protects a wide range of freedom of expression. We're free to express even repellant ideas, but what grade he received is an academic -- not a legal -- question."

    If the disciplinary actions are not dropped in the appeal, Corlett plans to file a lawsuit against the university, Vincent said.

    "He suffered damage to his reputation," said Vincent. "He wants to be made whole for his attorney fees and wants to be reinstated to the university so he can finish his education, which he has a Constitutional right to do."
    If you were the teacher, what would you do?
    If you were the student, what would you do?
    *If you were the school, what would you do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by iwakar View Post
    If you were the teacher, what would you do?
    Not take any offence at the matter and appreciate the creativity. Assist in getting the student un-suspended.

    If you were the student, what would you do?
    Complain about the matter, and find some sort of method to get back into school; any method.

    If you were the school, what would you do?
    Not suspend the student. Matters like this don't require such severe punishment.

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    I would need more information. Is this the only instance where he expressed these feelings? If so, then this reaction is way overboard.
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    Guys obviously too stupid or autistic to be taking that course.

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    Dude, this article is extremely suspect. Why does it seem like a hit piece on the professor?

    Because this link to his many creepy journal passages shows that she warned him to stop writing inappropriate shit about her and other female professors, and he simply refused and said "fuck that." The guy is clearly a creep, and this is a disciplinary problem. It has fuck all to do with freedom of speech.
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    Quote Originally Posted by iwakar View Post
    If you were the teacher, what would you do?
    - be somewhat flattered maybe a little grossed out
    - say nothing unless he made and advance, then politely reject him
    - file disciplinary or legal charges if such advances continued
    - redefine the parameters of what kind of writing is allowed

    If you were the student, what would you do?
    the same thing he's doing

    *If you were the school, what would you do?
    - issue him a warning. punishing a first time offense that isn't clearly stated in the rule book is not proper
    - amend any sort of school code of conduct

    overall, I mean, I can't say it wasn't a little creepy, but I think they took it WAY too far. not every instance of a sexual advance needs to go to the courts. I think America has a ridiculous tendency to lump everyone from child predators to those who write sexual notes about their teachers into the same class of person, and, if you stop to think about it for even a second, this clearly isn't the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    Dude, this article is extremely suspect. Why does it seem like a hit piece on the professor?

    Because this link to his many creepy journal passages shows that she warned him to stop writing inappropriate shit about her and other female professors, and he simply refused and said "fuck that." The guy is clearly a creep, and this is a disciplinary problem. It has fuck all to do with freedom of speech.
    That is very relevant. Shame on them for not including this massive chunk of context.
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    There are a number of instances I could think of in which I would say that it isn't a First Amendment issue, but since the requirements for his paper didn't deny the freedom to make suggestive themes, I think it is. Not that his paper was even politically motivated, I just think it's unfair for honesty and creative writing to be punished without first infringing upon clear guidelines. What a nice nugget of controversy!

    Quote Originally Posted by iwakar View Post
    If you were the teacher, what would you do?
    It really depends on the context. If the context (how I felt about the student, how I felt about myself, and what I expected out of my interactions with the student) gave me bad vibes, then I would express my personal discomfort with what he said. There are times when it could be taken as a non-issue and other times when concern is very important. In all likelihood, I would seek guidance from other staff and my superiors if the situation was unnerving, but I would make it clear that I didn't make any restrictions for the students. If it was a serious problem, a warning would suffice.
    If you were the student, what would you do?
    Probably refrain from using the word "stacked" and ask for a second chance if my paper was tactless and it compromised my future goals. It would be an unwise time to become a rebel without a cause when the school staff has my hopes and dreams by the balls.
    *If you were the school, what would you do?
    Give more consideration to the student and less to the professor. Unless the student had a history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    Dude, this article is extremely suspect. Why does it seem like a hit piece on the professor?

    Because this link to his many creepy journal passages shows that she warned him to stop writing inappropriate shit about her and other female professors, and he simply refused and said "fuck that." The guy is clearly a creep, and this is a disciplinary problem. It has fuck all to do with freedom of speech.
    That puts things into focus. They made the right choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ginkgo View Post
    That puts things into focus. They made the right choice.
    I'm inclined to agree. With the info in the OP I thought it was a major overreaction... but upon reading this yeah they definitely made the right choice. What a fucking creep.
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