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    Apparently, that warning was entirely made-up by him.

    The problem with all of this is that the university is not releasing any information or making any statements while this fucking guy and FIRE (the organization taking up his case) are flooding the press.

    Here's the HuffPo version of this story, which seems to be a little bit better, and here's the Oakland Post version, too, which has some interesting comments.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spamtar View Post
    @Orangey , where did you get the link and do you know how authentic it is?
    What, the link to his journal? That was from thefire.org (FIRE's website), which is the free speech advocacy organization representing Corlett.

    In fact, all currently available documents are provided here.

    Of particular interest is this letter to Corlett from the Vice President of Student Affairs and his response.

    She mentioned four things:
    -An incident with student journalists and the editor at the student newspaper, The Post, involving your insistence they print your article on the subject of the Michigan Open Carry debate; and

    -A late night phone call to a female student in your English 380 class who never gave you her phone number; and

    -Unsolicited stories of a sexual nature sent to a female faculty member whom you also invited to meet with you privately off campus; and

    -Numerous written musings of a sexual nature about your female English 380 instructor recorded in your class journal.
    Then he responded to each one in this letter (which is really too good not to post in its entirety, especially when it gets weird at the end.)

    Letter from Joseph Corlett to Vice President Student Affairs and Enrollment Management Mary Beth Snyder, December 7, 2011
    December 7, 2011

    December 7, 2011

    Joseph Corlett
    [ADDRESS REDACTED]

    Ms. Mary Beth Snyder
    Vice President Student Affairs and Enrollment Management
    Oakland University
    144 Oakland Center
    Rochester, Michigan 48309-4499

    Dear Ms. Snyder:

    I've had a chance to digest the letter you presented to me at our meeting this morning with Dean of Students Glenn McIntosh. I struggle with my tone sometimes, so please bear with me. Particularly troubling is your one-sided, guilty-until-proven-innocent attitude: "When taken as a whole, the complaints about your behavior toward women are troubling and must be addressed." Even the most cursory review of your allegations renders them moot:

    "An incident with student journalists and the editor at the student newspaper, The Post, involving your insistence they print your article on the subject of the Michigan Open Carry debate; and"

    I have an email confirmation of the school newspaper's agreement to publish my article on gun rights on campus. I wrote the story as an assignment in Journalism class and would be given extra credit if published. The newspaper agreed, but when Gabriel Giffords was shot the paper reneged. There was no hostility whatsoever, just normal give-and-take. They published a subsequent letter-to-the-editor from me on the subject as well as one from another student.

    Earlier, I complained in person to the Editor, Kay [REDACTED] , that an article in which she said her boyfriend had a "pancake butt" was sexist and that the newspaper would never have printed a male assessment of female breast size. I recommended she apologize to readers and stand by that recommendation. A conversation with a male staff writer who came to her defense was a bit heated, but civil. This happened last fall semester.

    "A late night phone call to a female student in your English 380 class who never gave you her phone number; and"

    Although it is not a crime to call any publicly available telephone number at any hour, if memory serves I did not call much after 10:00 p.m. I called and emailed several classmates that evening. I was in a panic mistakenly thinking I didn't have an assignment completed that was due the following morning. Megan [REDACTED] emailed me the next day expressing her family's displeasure at the timing of my polite message, explained the assignment, and asked that all communication between us be email. I apologized for the call, thanked her for the help, and told her I would not contact her again. I have not.

    "Unsolicited stories of a sexual nature sent to a female faculty member whom you also invited to meet with you privately off campus; and" I did ask Dr. Dana Driscoll to meet me off campus, along with her husband, who is also an OU instructor. I was going ask her to be my advisor in my upcoming hearing. Since Ms. Mitzelfeld's egregious FERPA leak has "poisoned the well", my choice for advisor has been denied by default. Dr. Driscoll and I were Facebook friends and she eagerly assisted me with writing problems as little as 15 days ago. Any "stories of a sexual nature" sent to her were sent for academic criticism only. If she had any objections to this story, why remain my Facebook friend? Why encourage me to take her Peer Tutoring class? Why help me with writing for other classes? Why not file a complaint about the story within the required deadline? Because until she got wind of Ms. Mitzelfeld's accusations, she had no objections. That's why.

    "Numerous written musings of a sexual nature about your female English 380 instructor recorded in your class journal."

    On the first day of class, Ms. Mitzelfeld explained the Day book assignment using the terms "diary/journal" and wanted unedited work turned in. The Day book explanation in her syllabus urges students to "try out ideas and record impressions and observations" and "freewriting and brainstorming for essay assignments". I specifically asked Ms. Mitzelfeld if there were any topical restrictions, as I've had other professors rule out student sex life accounts (Ms. Rebecca Rivard) and grandmothers (Ms. Linda McClosky). She told the class there were none. Several weeks in, I had class assistant and Writing Center employee Catherine Leider review my Anecdote essay entitled The Boobs I Was Not Supposed To See after class along with Ms. Mitzelfeld. Concerned with its nature, I again asked if there were any topical restrictions and again I was told there were none with Ms. Leider as a witness. Ms. Leider and Ms. Mitzelfeld agreed the title should be changed to My Boobs DVD. I took their advice and scored a 4.0 on the assignment.

    I subsequently wrote an essay entitled Revenge Karaoke, a somewhat dark and amusing tale of the interactions between myself and a young woman in a bar. Ms. Mitzelfeld scored this at 3.9, apparently because I described switching from drinking beer to gin and tonics too awkwardly.

    Ms. Mitzelfeld has had, at minimum, six opportunities to tell me my sexually oriented writing was inappropriate. She took none of them and abandoned her responsibility to set the class tone. Ms. Mitzelfeld is contractually obligated in her labor agreement with the University to advise and counsel students. Had the University had Ms. Mitzelfeld stick to her agreement, we would not be where we are today.

    Does the University see any irony in assigning me Me and Miss Mandible, by Donald Barthelme, in Fiction 303, the story of a boy/man having sexual relations with his teacher while bringing nonacademic conduct charges against me for trying to emulate an assigned writer? Isn't this why I'm in school? I never suggested a sexual relationship with Ms. Mitzelfeld, yet the University makes student/teacher sexual relations required reading? This is the tremendous educational cost of political correctness and students deserve better.

    I'm sure that after hearing the other side of the story, you're probably feeling a bit sheepish. If not, you should be. You now know it was the Oakland Post Editor publishing sexism, not me. You now know that Megan's phone number is public, that I apologized and thanked her and never contacted her again. You now know that I asked Dr. Driscoll to bring her husband to my suggested off-campus meeting. You now know that Ms. Mitzelfeld disregarded at least six chances to set the tone of her class as is her professional responsibility. In short, Ms. Snyder, you and the University have nothing.

    We have a mutual interest in settling this matter as quickly and as quietly as possible. Let's take a look at what each of us has to offer. You've got a longshot harassment case against me and I've got a FERPA slam-dunk (or several) against you. I've got a case number with the Foundation for Individual Rights in Education which may save my recent inheritance from my $250.00-per-hour attorney, and you have all the resources of the state.

    I would entertain the idea of successfully completing University-sponsored advanced sexual harassment training in return for dropping the sexual harassment and intimidation charges against me. I will admit no wrongdoing and the University will have a metaphorical bone to throw to my accuser(s). I will consider dropping my complaints against the University in return for having Acting English Chair Susan Hawkins demonstrate familiarity with the OU Student Handbook and student fairness obligations.

    The University and I will enter into an agreement whereby I will agree not to pursue FERPA violations as long as the University provides new specific FERPA training to covered employees, etc. We could probably work out some sort of confidentiality agreement also with the University covering my attorney fees.

    The University agrees there will be no retaliation against me whatsoever and Dean of Students Glenn McIntosh will send an email acknowledging his recent apology, on behalf of Oakland University, for my humiliating English 380 classroom removal by the OUPD to my classmates, Ms. Megan [REDACTED] included. I will enroll in Winter, 2012, classes.

    What's not to like? Everybody walks away a winner except the lawyers. Life presents fleeting opportunities sometimes and we've got to take them. If you think we can put something together, please let me know as soon as possible.

    Sincerely,

    Joseph Corlett
    Anyway, the Vice President of Student Affairs responded by telling him that she was not adjudicating any of this, and that he could bring his case up at the upcoming conduct hearing. It turns out the conduct hearing didn't go too well for him, though, because they did end up deciding to suspend him for three semesters, saying that after that point he could come back on the condition that he take some sort of sensitivity training course.

    Also, he is apparently in the habit of threatening weird legal action against organizations that make him angry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    Apparently, that warning was entirely made-up by him.

    The problem with all of this is that the university is not releasing any information or making any statements while this fucking guy and FIRE (the organization taking up his case) are flooding the press.

    Here's the HuffPo version of this story, which seems to be a little bit better, and here's the Oakland Post version, too, which has some interesting comments.
    Did he make up the stuff about being escorted from class, too?
    "We grow up thinking that beliefs are something to be proud of, but they're really nothing but opinions one refuses to reconsider. Beliefs are easy. The stronger your beliefs are, the less open you are to growth and wisdom, because "strength of belief" is only the intensity with which you resist questioning yourself. As soon as you are proud of a belief, as soon as you think it adds something to who you are, then you've made it a part of your ego."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Did he make up the stuff about being escorted from class, too?
    As far as I can tell, that really did happen.
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    Well, he posted the letter he wanted published on the stone fabricators alliance forum (a forum he was banned from).

    http://www.stonefabricatorsalliance....hp?f=41&t=5518

    What is funny is that on this forum, he was seen a being liberal but on Jezebel he is being branded somewhat as right-wing.

    In the forum that Orangey linked, someone mentioned that he had been involved in 9 legal actions (three of which he mentions himself, and claimed to be victorious). It is a strange pattern.

    Frankly, I am not sure what to make of it.

    It is odd for people to afraid of someone without cause. So I am guessing the details of what actually happened will make things clear, and we will see why it is justified. But it is possible that no such details will be made public. If he wins the law suit, I am afraid, I'll have to conclude the school really did over-react.

    However, the school is being mum, while his PR people are spreading his side, and the picture they are painting is that he was essentially suspended from school for having views not popular in college, and for writing sexual things in his journal (which his side is claiming was the only source of information used in his formal hearing at school). I suppose the school cannot really release information about their side due to legal restrictions.

    If the only thing we can say about someone is that they are odd or creepy, and use that as justification for putative action, I think we are setting the bar too low. I mean, the punishment is certainly more serious than being banned from a web-site.

    I admit, I cringed at the things he wrote. I will also admit that I don't know what it feels like to be female or a teacher. But suspension based on journal entries alone seems like a bit much. This is especially true considering he won a contest at the school for similar content. If he was not warned, like he claimed, then suspension would be an over reaction.

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    Well, that's the one thing we DO know about the university's side of things; they have repeatedly in their emails to both Corlett and his lawyer stated that the journal incident was only one of several that formed a part of their decision.

    At any rate, it's either that these women are crazy and the university is part of a conspiracy against him, or he's lying.
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    I don't like this guy, or many of his views. But that is exactly why I'm being careful not to jump to conclusions.

    His side is claiming that the other incidents were either taken from his journal (as in the incident regarding the classmate) or triggered by the issues in the judicial process.

    People can certainly over react without being crazy, and a confluence of events driven by a particular mindset can be as good as a conspiracy.

    With that said, the letter from the university did disclose that the university was getting complaints since January of 2011. Also, he was in another judiciary proceeding with the Director of Inclusion and Intercultural Activities (which is part of his pattern).

    Unfortunately, we "fill in the blanks" with our own preconceptions of what is going on.

    I suppose, one way to envision things is that he threatens people with violence and is having rape fantasies.

    But it could also be that he repeatedly expressed opinions that are disliked, and uses legal and judicial processes to try to change things he doesn't like, thereby leading to a tit-for-tat "arms war" in legal proceedings (to which his journal writings lent ammunition).

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    I don't like this guy, or many of his views. But that is exactly why I'm being careful not to jump to conclusions.

    His side is claiming that the other incidents were either taken from his journal (as in the incident regarding the classmate) or triggered by the issues in the judicial process.

    People can certainly over react without being crazy, and a confluence of events driven by a particular mindset can be as good as a conspiracy.

    With that said, the letter from the university did disclose that the university was getting complaints since January of 2011. Also, he was in another judiciary proceeding with the Director of Inclusion and Intercultural Activities (which is part of his pattern).

    Unfortunately, we "fill in the blanks" with our own preconceptions of what is going on.

    I suppose, one way to envision things is that he threatens people with violence and is having rape fantasies.

    But it could also be that he repeatedly expressed opinions that are disliked, and uses legal and judicial processes to try to change things he doesn't like, thereby leading to a tit-for-tat "arms war" in legal proceedings (to which his journal writings lent ammunition).
    Yeah, we certainly need more information at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LunaLuminosity View Post
    Wait, does this say that the warning he got might have been something that he made up and wrote in his journal to add to it, since it was in his own handwriting? That's a pretty critical detail.
    Quote Originally Posted by LunaLuminosity View Post
    But is reporting him a warning? Isn't he already in trouble at that point? People here seem to say that he was told to cut it out before he got in trouble, I don't see any evidence of this in any of the articles.
    Quote Originally Posted by Orangey View Post
    Apparently, that warning was entirely made-up by him.
    It is interesting to see how perceptions swing. I think both Luna and I read the journal entries knowing that the "warning" in his journal was made up by him (because it said that on Jezebel) while many people just read it, took at face value (and why would you not?) and later found out that it was made up.

    There are comparisons of this guy to people writing snuff fantasies and to the Virginia Tech shooter. That is not what I read. It was definitely chauvinistic, and the attraction to pregnant women seemed weird to me, but grouping chauvinism with fantasizing about rape or murder is a bit much.

    Admittedly, I found the cursive pretty difficult to read, but I saw no fantasies towards any sexual or physical actions towards the women, just that he was attracted to them. shortnsweet mentioned "vulnerability exciting him" or something like that, but I didn't find that anywhere either.

    So I am wondering, did the FIRE people modify what was on the site between the time that Orangey, Tallulah, and others read it, and the time Luna, myself and others read it. Or did this shift in perception happen mainly because of the assumption that pages were ripped out and a warning was issued to him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ygolo View Post
    shortnsweet mentioned "vulnerability exciting him" or something like that, but I didn't find that anywhere either.
    That's on the third page or so, where he writes:

    I think I'm going to implement a "no page tear out rule" too, so you'll know you're seeing everything I've written. I'm starting to like this vulnerability, it's exciting."
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