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    If they develop and test a Nuke then we wont do shit. Plain and simple.
    I also highly doubt that Iran will use them on Israel because, you know MAD and all that shit.

    Bibbi has built up all this bullshit about attacking Iran so if they do test a Nuke it would be hilarious to see him have to backtrack.
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    I bet they just want to act big and are no thread to anyone
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    Quote Originally Posted by Victor View Post
    Iran has been at war with the West for thirty years. They and their surrogates have been killing westerners for thirty years.

    And as the best predictor of future conduct is past conduct, we can presume they are developing nuclear weapons to kill us in larger numbers.

    All this is underpined by the belief that a second holocaust will hasten the return of the Mahdi (the Islamic Messiah) who will establish the Caliphate and Sharia throughout the entire world.
    I know you are a troll but you express a rather common opinion so I might as well address it here.

    You know how in the bible it says that the world will be consumed in fire before Jesus comes back? Remember when we had a president who honestly believed that, and he had his finger on the button.

    Religion is a powerful motivator for small fringe groups but for most large actors its not a huge motivator. Christian Allied soldiers had no problems fighting alongside evil uncivilized mudslimes against christian Axis soldiers. There are bigger factors at play here than "hurr durr mudslimes allah ackbar". People who believe in all that apocalyptic shit do exist in the muslim world, just as they do in the Christian world, but they usually dont have the self-awareness required to seize power. Ahmadinejad is crazy, but hes practical. He didnt stumble in to his office following the voice of Allah in his head, hes not going to blow himself the fuck up because scripture said so just like Bush never did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by INTP View Post
    I bet they just want to act big and are no thread to anyone
    No. They want Nukes for the security they bring. The Middle East has been completely destabilized, Iran, Iraw and Libya have all been fucked to hell by the US on dubious pretenses. Iran is afraid they are next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrinth View Post
    That isn't my point. I don't think we should preemptively strike. Nor do I think they will strike the west.

    But why are you so sure they won't use a nuclear weapon at all? I'm thinking Israel is in the cross hairs.
    Ask yourself what is the best possible rationale for Iran to use a nuclear weapon on Israel

    What is the absolute best possible outcome? What potential benefits are immediately apparent?

    Nuclear weapons are almost always used as a deterrent. The only exception to this would be when the United States of America bombed two cities in Japan

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    Quote Originally Posted by Critical Hit View Post
    I know you are a troll but you express a rather common opinion so I might as well address it here.

    You know how in the bible it says that the world will be consumed in fire before Jesus comes back? Remember when we had a president who honestly believed that, and he had his finger on the button.

    Religion is a powerful motivator for small fringe groups but for most large actors its not a huge motivator. Christian Allied soldiers had no problems fighting alongside evil uncivilized mudslimes against christian Axis soldiers. There are bigger factors at play here than "hurr durr mudslimes allah ackbar". People who believe in all that apocalyptic shit do exist in the muslim world, just as they do in the Christian world, but they usually dont have the self-awareness required to seize power. Ahmadinejad is crazy, but hes practical. He didnt stumble in to his office following the voice of Allah in his head, hes not going to blow himself the fuck up because scripture said so just like Bush never did.
    They blow themselves up all the time. Read any newspaper.

    And you're right - he wouldn't blow himself up - he's got a plan to protect himself. But he'd sacrifice his people for his suicide-revering religion in a heartbeat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mia_infp View Post
    They blow themselves up all the time. Read any newspaper.
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    And you're right - he wouldn't blow himself up - he's got a plan to protect himself. But he'd sacrifice his people for his suicide-revering religion in a heartbeat.
    You base this off of?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mia_infp View Post
    They blow themselves up all the time. Read any newspaper.

    And you're right - he wouldn't blow himself up - he's got a plan to protect himself. But he'd sacrifice his people for his suicide-revering religion in a heartbeat.
    Iranians are likely to be blown up, though I can't recall hearing about any blowing themselves up

    As a student of science, I am eternally grateful not to be in Iran, where my life would be in grave danger

    To think that Israel and the CIA are so determined to slay those who learn about the atom would be alarming, to say the least

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    Iranians are likely to be blown up, though I can't recall hearing about any blowing themselves up

    As a student of science, I am eternally grateful not to be in Iran, where my life would be in grave danger

    To think that Israel and the CIA are so determined to slay those who learn about the atom would be alarming, to say the least
    Im shocked at how Israel is getting such a free ride on the scientist killings. They are terrorism, textbook terrorism. The Scientists being killed are NOT involved directly in the Iranian Nuclear program. Killing them serves no purpose besides scaring other scientists away from involvement in the program.

    They trying to create fear in a group of people, Terror if you will, in order to persuade them from a course of action.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Critical Hit View Post
    Im shocked at how Israel is getting such a free ride on the scientist killings. They are terrorism, textbook terrorism. The Scientists being killed are NOT involved directly in the Iranian Nuclear program. Killing them serves no purpose besides scaring other scientists away from involvement in the program.

    They trying to create fear in a group of people, Terror if you will, in order to persuade them from a course of action.
    Israeli terrorism is nothing to be surprised about. Israeli policy (foreign and domestic) is synonymous with terrorism

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