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    The answer to the ops question is the same answer like the one to the question why they say "it's" and not "it'n"
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    What I see as promoting a lot of racist sentiment today is people's need to prove that this country, or Western Culture is "the best in the world". Since both past race relations, as well as present economic issues are big stains on that claim, they have to justify the system, and prove that the people who were/are actually victims, are really "problematic", and thus "deserved" what they got, or, that they actually benefited from it, but are "unthankful", "lazy", and thus "trying to take what's ours"! This is usually done in one shot by blaming economic problems on "[minorities on] welfare", (and then crime, and unwanted pregnancy statistics can be thrown in as well, to give the "moral" angle of it).

    This seems to be the main form racist thought takes in public discourse today.

    Anything seen as true to our "original values" has be justified, and all the blame has to be place on those "leftists" who kept coming in and messing with things, forcing change, to benefit the "undeserving". Race then becomes the political football used for one party to lob its shots at the other.
    So slavery and Jim Crow weren't that bad; they were only trying to maintain "order". It would have ironed itself out more smoothly if the socialists hadn't come in and used progress for their own agenda.
    Capitalism also is being messed up solely by the "big government" liberals, overtaxing and overregulating to benefit the "lazy" (including now, unions) whose votes they are "buying" with "handouts", thus driving prices up, and jobs overseas where the labor is cheaper.
    One basically is a continuation of the other, so much resentment remains, against these "leftists", with minorities often (indirectly, at least) at the center of it.

    This really has nothing to do with IQ (Though conservatives are usually the ones shouting that liberals are "brain diseased", as "the facts" clearly support unbridled capitalism).
    What might give the image of unintelligence is a sheep mentality, where they go along with favoring corporatism as the perfect hope, refusing to see anything wrong with it, that might be contributing to our current problems, and blaming the poor, even though corporatism/globalism clearly is getting all the money.

    No matter what, they "deserve" it. They work 100 hours a week (which is highly unhealthy), so they deserve it all, where the lazy slackard who only does his 40 hours only deserves to struggle. (Yet when people who think this find they're struggling, they have only to blame taxes; the common enemy of both themselves and their rich heroes).
    Banks and auto companies get bailed out, and executives use the bailout money for $89,000 pheasant hunts and such; stop "envying" them; they 'earned' it; it's really Obama's fault for "not letting them fail" according to "the free market". (Previously, they were the ones who believed in "corporate welfare", because it was seen as rewarding those who "deserve" it, who would then reinvest in the economy. Obama was "damned if he did", and would have still been "damned if he didn't").
    And again, the biggest focus in economic rhetoric often remains "handouts" being given to certain groups of people.

    This system MUST be right, since it MUST be better than all others in the world (since for one, it was "chosen"/"blessed" by God), so all problems MUST be others' fault.

    But all of this is really just rampant (and misguided) self-interest, and projection (of all that's good onto what one identifies with, and all that's bad onto their opponents), moreso than any intelligence. There are many people whoa re very intelligent, and use it to support these notions, gather the relevant data, and even argue about people like Rand and other socioeconomic philosophers, which is very "intelligent". It's just blinded by misguided self-interest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pure_mercury View Post
    Social "conservatism" and economic "liberalism" (as North America understands those terms; i.e., authoritarian belief in the necessity of state power to control social and economic behavior) do correlate with low IQ and lack of familiarity with issues.
    I would doubt that about economic liberalism, since that's a tenet of socialism & I've observed genuine socialists to be very bright in general.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    A better study would have been to examine the relationship between fear/anxiety/etc and (accurate) knowledge.
    Yep. And why some beliefs persist after exposure to accurate knowledge.

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    ^^

    @uumlau posted this in another thread but so apt here

    Dunning-Kruger Effect

    Notice how the phenomena only really applies to Americans and the differences when the same study was conducted in Europe and Asia.
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    I'm not a sympathizer to social conservatism, but I've become gradually less interest in the IQ. I'd like to see correlations between conservatism and critical thinking abilities or cognitive biases. That strikes me as more important.
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    In general I've noticed that conservatives are quicker to harken to reason while liberals are protective of their creative liberties.

    Now as far as intelligence of the individual, you wouldn't be surprised to see superior scores in liberal individuals, but in terms of overall intelligence, conservatives behave smarter because inclining toward an empirically superior method in an unintelligent way is still more intelligent. Liberal individuals often get caught up in their own cognition and miss the obvious in the process.

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    If you've read any of Burke this is actually a vindication of a lot of his writings, in particular I think some of the stuff he wrote in Reflections On The Revolution in France, it probably would be even more pleasing for even more elitist conservatives, it'd definitely seem to chine, in my view, with Pareto and other "new machavellian" sociologists.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I'm not a sympathizer to social conservatism, but I've become gradually less interest in the IQ. I'd like to see correlations between conservatism and critical thinking abilities or cognitive biases. That strikes me as more important.
    I suspect that critical thinking, and its abscence, would be roughly evenly represented among conservatives and non-conservatives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EvidenceOfRedemption View Post
    In general I've noticed that conservatives are quicker to harken to reason while liberals are protective of their creative liberties.

    Now as far as intelligence of the individual, you wouldn't be surprised to see superior scores in liberal individuals, but in terms of overall intelligence, conservatives behave smarter because inclining toward an empirically superior method in an unintelligent way is still more intelligent. Liberal individuals often get caught up in their own cognition and miss the embarrassingly obvious in the process.

    Consider the ants.
    You must be not be talking about American conservatives.
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