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    Quote Originally Posted by reason View Post
    Back to the Future Part II is interesting. It's set in 1985, 1955, and 2015. The world of 1985 is unmistakably different from 1955, and the creators imagined that it would be similarly different by 2015. They were wrong.
    Yeah, the internet is overrated. Solar power overtaking coal as the cheapest source of energy by the end of this decade will also be overrated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lateralus View Post
    Yeah, the internet is overrated. Solar power overtaking coal as the cheapest source of energy by the end of this decade will also be overrated.
    Overrated by whom? In any case, I was mostly thinking about fashion and art rather than technology. However, a good case can be made that technology hasn't advanced as rapidly since 1985 as it did during the period from 1958 to 1985. At least, recent technological advances seem to have had a smaller impact on peoples' general standard of living.
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    Quote Originally Posted by reason View Post
    Overrated by whom? In any case, I was mostly thinking about fashion and art rather than technology. However, a good case can be made that technology hasn't advanced as rapidly since 1985 as it did during the period from 1958 to 1985. At least, recent technological advances seem to have had a smaller impact on peoples' general standard of living.
    Could you try to make that case? I ask because I believe the opposite to be true. I believe technological advancement is accelerating.
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    the mainstream has used up everything into extremes. In every sense, everythign is just becoming more extreme, im not sure about anything new , just stressing out ideas into it's extremes
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    I actually think it's getting more active. However, it is also become more homogeneous across the world. Went don't so much see transitions of big cultural patterns interacting with each other, but rather, a much more rapid degree of change at a small scale, starting to even out all across the world. This is because of mass communication in its many forms.

    Quote Originally Posted by reason View Post
    Overrated by whom? In any case, I was mostly thinking about fashion and art rather than technology. However, a good case can be made that technology hasn't advanced as rapidly since 1985 as it did during the period from 1958 to 1985. At least, recent technological advances seem to have had a smaller impact on peoples' general standard of living.
    So, you don't think the internet and cell phones have made such a big difference to the human race?
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    Quote Originally Posted by reason View Post
    Overrated by whom? In any case, I was mostly thinking about fashion and art rather than technology. However, a good case can be made that technology hasn't advanced as rapidly since 1985 as it did during the period from 1958 to 1985. At least, recent technological advances seem to have had a smaller impact on peoples' general standard of living.
    You don't think someone from 1985 would be impressed by tablet computers circa 2010, our tablets today in 2012 seem even more "advanced" than the one's featured in the '90s Star Trek series TNG and DS9. We have had this standard casual fashion of jeans, sneakers, and t-shirt since the '70s though, it is definitely time to don some silver unitards. I think most cultural and social trends of the last 40 years have been the fallout of the countercultural revolution of the late '60s, more media fragmentation, more openness to differences(hence tolerance of various niches), alot of this is the end result of the Baby Boomer generation too, they continue to be highly respected for their cultural contributions by younger generations like Millennials. It is hard to be shocking and provocative when the culture has been increasingly "anything goes" since the late '80s, in terms of music, the '90s pretty much covered all bases, the mood was introspective, materialistic, bouncy, low-key, acoustic, synthetic, digital, raw, mature, juvenile, violent, innocent, how do you react against that?
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    Creativity is a function of literacy which gave us the literate individual and so the individual genius.

    But literacy is over as we move into the electric world of the noosphere where there are no individuals but electronic tribes in the global village.

    But naturally we look back nostalgically to the Age of the creative individual.

    And absurdly we drive forward looking in the rear vision mirror for the creative individual, while the electronic tribe is rushing towards us through the windshield.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    So, you don't think the internet and cell phones have made such a big difference to the human race?
    No, none at all. That's what I said, wasn't it?
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    No, none at all. That's what I said, wasn't it?
    I'm sorry, I guess communications and technology did nothing in the past 20 years.

    I'm sorry that the decoding of the AIDS protein in just 3 weeks, that happened because of these technologies, doesn't mean much to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magic Poriferan View Post
    I actually think it's getting more active. However, it is also become more homogeneous across the world. Went don't so much see transitions of big cultural patterns interacting with each other, but rather, a much more rapid degree of change at a small scale, starting to even out all across the world. This is because of mass communication in its many forms.



    So, you don't think the internet and cell phones have made such a big difference to the human race?
    I can understand why someone might try to make the argument Reason is making, but I think it's based upon a false premise, that technological advancement must be visible or follow the predictions from the 1950s. If technological advancement followed the predictions from the 1950s, we'd all have flying cars and be wearing silver unitards (as Robopop pointed out). Not fulfilling those predictions doesn't mean that technological advancement has slowed down, though. It just means we've gone in a different direction. We've sequenced the human genome and we're growing organs for transplantation because those are far more useful than flying cars and silver unitards.

    P.S. In the case of artificial intelligence, people underestimated how difficult it would be to create and how much processing power would be required.
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