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    Quote Originally Posted by iwakar View Post
    Suicide is a human issue. I'm seeking discussion on suicide as it pertains to gay youth, specifically. If you prefer to discuss the suicide rates of redheads or park rangers for instance, you're free to make your own thread.
    I struggle to understand why any of them would require a specific thread when you've stated yourself that its a human issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Suicide is now a gay issue?

    What are the remaining non-gay issues again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    Ignorance affects us all
    Yes. Yes it does.

    (Vague posts which could realistically mean anything to anyone really move the discussion along?)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Yes. Yes it does.

    (Vague posts which could realistically mean anything to anyone really move the discussion along?)
    We could easily overlook very real problems faced by enormous segments of the population by marginalizing them or moving the discussion along to something else

    Is suicide an issue in the gay population? I would say yes, absolutely

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I struggle to understand why any of them would require a specific thread when you've stated yourself that its a human issue.
    Are you kidding me?

    Okay, let's make it something else - 'overspending,' let's say.

    We could talk about overspending among women; among teenagers; among the Asian demographic; among self-identified liberals; among Baby Boomers; etc.... and while the general topic is overspending, we'd be discussing it in relation to a particular demographic.

    Posting a thread exploring the impact of the media on the gay suicide rate is just the topic, dude. Let it rest. Iwakar was very explicit about this. If you would like to discuss "media impact on suicide" in general, or for teenagers, or for Catholics, or for any other demographic, the forum is open to you doing so. I'm not sure why you have an issue with iwakar starting a thread on a topic of her particular choosing, except you've expressed a political discontent with such things repeatedly in the past.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I struggle to understand why any of them would require a specific thread when you've stated yourself that its a human issue.
    I don't like it when you're disingenuous. You do yourself a disservice. I rarely agree with you, but I happen to think you're clever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    I struggle to understand why any of them would require a specific thread when you've stated yourself that its a human issue.
    So... Gay teen's aren't human? I struggle to understand your reasoning.

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    Does evidence suggest suicide is on the rise for teens, or bullying for that matter? If so, is stigma or the media at fault?Or are both rates holding, but the circumstances are more widely acknowledged, publicized, and condemned?
    The suicide rate for several years: http://www.suicide.org/suicide-stati...ml#death-rates
    It shows that suicide rates for teens have dropped since 1990. I doubt you'll find any stats on bullying. I'd say bullying, as portrayed in the media, is probably a growing sensitivity to kids mimicking their parents and not necessarily an increase in bullying. I have no problem with suicide and I don't see why people think it's a bad thing. Looking at the problem of suicide from an evolutionary perspective, it's really no different than being gay and never reproducing. Hopefully we'll have more suicides and more gays in the future.

    Can the media continue to bring attention to this social problem without inadvertently encouraging it? IOW, is it possible to inform/educate the public while effectively mitigating the 'contagion factor'? Why or why not?
    The segment of the population who are swayed by repetitive media are probably better off dead, it'll save them a lot of pain in the future. I still consider myself pro-life.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LEGERdeMAIN View Post
    The suicide rate for several years: http://www.suicide.org/suicide-stati...ml#death-rates
    It shows that suicide rates for teens have dropped since 1990. I doubt you'll find any stats on bullying. I'd say bullying, as portrayed in the media, is probably a growing sensitivity to kids mimicking their parents and not necessarily an increase in bullying. I have no problem with suicide and I don't see why people think it's a bad thing.
    Thanks for the stats table. It ends at 2003 though and to me 2000 and beyond *feels* like the coverage shift period to be looking at. This is just Ni talking though. I think you're half-right on the bullying. As for the stats, I wonder how/if they classify drug overdoses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LEGERdeMAIN View Post
    Looking at the problem of suicide from an evolutionary perspective, it's really no different than being gay and never reproducing. Hopefully we'll have more suicides and more gays in the future.
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