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    Quote Originally Posted by iwakar View Post
    Orly?
    What an awful strawman. But, unfortunately, he will serve his purpose.

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    Meh, if the people want war when Paul's president, they simply declare one with a declaration from congress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tantive View Post
    Meh, if the people want war when Paul's president, they simply declare one with a declaration from congress.
    When have people ever wanted war?

    Has there ever been a time in a democratic society where a majority would declare war?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    When have people ever wanted war?

    Has there ever been a time in a democratic society where a majority would declare war?
    Yes, I'm sure a majority of Americans would have voted for war against Japan and Afghanistan after Pearl Harbor and 9/11. As for other wars, I guess it depends on how accountable to constituents you percieve Congressional or Parliamentary representatives to be.

    That said, war is simply a means to an end, the goal of any particular war is what a majority want.

    Or were you speaking about direct participation?

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    Test has me at Romney and Obama tied, and Paul a close second. I'm definitely more of a Ron Paul supporter though. Of course a few of the questions didn't have my position....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beargryllz View Post
    When have people ever wanted war?

    Has there ever been a time in a democratic society where a majority would declare war?
    "Naturally the common people don't want war: Neither in Russia, nor in England, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, IT IS THE LEADERS of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is TELL THEM THEY ARE BEING ATTACKED, and denounce the peacemakers for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. IT WORKS THE SAME IN ANY COUNTRY."

    --Goering at the Nuremberg Trials

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