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    I never noticed that the '-American' designation has a flavor of of second degree status: Irish-American, African-American, etc. You never hear English-American or Protestant-American. I guess it's all about what's considered normal, even if it isn't normal anymore

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lark View Post
    Who tries to avoid discussion of ethical subjectivity?

    I would suggest that exactly the converse is true, no one wishes to discuss ethical objectivity and it is treated as less valid or real a concept than subjectivity.
    I wish to discuss it. Ethical objectivity is complete and utter bullshit. That's my subjective opinion though. One which won't change (ok, I lied. I don't wish to discuss anything).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Qlip View Post
    I never noticed that the '-American' designation has a flavor of of second degree status: Irish-American, African-American, etc. You never hear English-American or Protestant-American. I guess it's all about what's considered normal, even if it isn't normal anymore
    White Anglo-Saxon Protestant aka "W.A.S.P."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Catholics can't be Americans either.
    I'm guessing Buddhists can't be American either.
    Excuse me, but does this smell like chloroform to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Antimony View Post
    I'm guessing Buddhists can't be American either.
    Nope.

    Now why this is would require an extensive discussion that I fear would derail the discussion here too much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Peguy View Post
    Nope.

    Now why this is would require an extensive discussion that I fear would derail the discussion here too much.
    Write something about it in your thread.
    Excuse me, but does this smell like chloroform to you?

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    i do agree with the idea behind the cartoon in the OP in that feminist perspectives can differ. veiling can be seen as oppressive, at least by many non-muslims, but the excessive exposure of a woman's body can be seen the same way. both could imply that the woman is treated as an object - in the former case, one that belongs exclusively to her father or husband and should be hidden from everyone else (which restricts the woman's freedom to move around and dress as she pleases), and in the latter, one that should be placed on public display for everyone to judge or admire (which deprives the woman of her physical privacy and may distort her body image and self-esteem).

    i tend to feel worse about excessive exposure, i suppose. but when taken to an extreme, both these attitudes are equally detrimental. at any rate, i think neither should be enforced, whether through peer pressure or (specifically) formal legislation. ideally, it should be a matter of private choice - if a woman wants to wear a full-body covering such as an abaya and/or face veil, fine, but if she wants to frequent a nudists' beach, fine too. (i know that some cultures will always tend toward one of these two perspectives, but still)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasofy View Post
    That's about 4.8 billion bibles per year. Which means people (non christians included) are buying an average of maybe 30-35 bibles during their lifetime.
    People who stock Bibles obviously buy the majority of Bibles.

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    American women pros:
    - educated
    - confident
    - sometimes enterprising

    American women cons:
    - stuck up
    - gossipy
    - disrespectful
    - sexually repressed (by other women)

    Muslim women pros
    - seem easy to live with
    - respectful
    - give you personal space

    Muslim women
    - sexually repressed
    - frequently don't have opinions
    - dependent

    if I were straight and had to choose
    - between an average Muslim woman and an average American woman, I would choose the average Muslim woman
    - between an exceptional Muslim woman and an exceptional American woman, I would choose the exceptional American woman
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    Quote Originally Posted by KDude View Post
    I wish to discuss it. Ethical objectivity is complete and utter bullshit. That's my subjective opinion though. One which won't change (ok, I lied. I don't wish to discuss anything).
    Yeah, I picked that up from you a long time ago.

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